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Old 03-04-2010, 08:18 PM
Matt Domsch
 
Default SWG Spins discussion and follow-up actions

FYI, these were the notes from last Monday's Board Strategic Working
Group meeting, where your responses to the Board's questions were
noted and discussed. From this, there are several specific actions we
would like to see taken:

# the problems hampering Spins due to long GNOME dependency chain
requirements has a ticket open for FESCo to discuss.
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345

# hosting space for Spins for direct http downloads will be made available by Infrastructure.
Each spin should file a request for space with infrastructure.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR

# being able to offer AutoQA
individual Spins should get involved with QA Team to ensure their
needs are addressed as well as those of the rest of the Project.
This is highly dependent on Spins owners contributing to the QA
methodologies and even direct test efforts - QA is already feeling
overwhelmed, and we need to scale this process out across more volunteers.

# banners on get.fp.o -> spins.fp.o
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/16
People with web site building experience are asked to participate in
the websites team to remove "waiting on someone who can" as a possible
bottleneck.


I thank you all for your valuable input and continuing contributions
to Fedora.

Thanks,
Matt



----- Forwarded message from John Poelstra <poelstra@redhat.com> -----

Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:17:37 -0800
From: John Poelstra <poelstra@redhat.com>
To: advisory-board@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Board SWG Meeting 2010-03-01 Recap
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100120 Fedora/3.0.1-1.fc12 Thunderbird/3.0.1

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_strategic_working_group_2010-03-01

== Roll Call ==
* Attendees: John Poelstra, Paul Frields, Chris Tyler, Mike McGrath,
Colin Walters, Matt Domsch
* Notes from last meeting:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_strategic_working_group_2010-02-22

== Spins Work ==
* Background:
** Matt and Colin have been collecting feedback to questions asked
**
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Walters/SpinsSigsRemixes_TargetAudience
**
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Walters/SpinsSigsRemixes_ChangeDistribution
** http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2010-February/000996.html
** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mdomsch/SWG_Spins
* Each spin producing group does believe they can and should define a
target audience
* John: would it help clarify our message to refer to the live gnome
desktop as the 'default offering' rather than referring to it as a spin?
** Paul: Spins were initially conceived as a range of things the
community can produce that are alternatives to what we feel must be
created, or add-ons that narrowly focus on special use cases
* Matt: Rel-eng sits in the middle of the spin creation process right
now -- a couple communication breakdowns have happened over time,
sometimes spin producers didn't know their spin was being built
** Matt: semi-OT -- at some point need to reconsider the question of who
builds the spins. Does it always have to be Release Engineering?
** Paul: more narrowly aimed spins (FEL, Games, ...) seem to nail their
use cases quite well
* Top of mind problem seems to be some dependency chains
(system-config-keyboard), whether or not that is the most serious
problem or not isn't clear
* 'PAIN POINT IDENTIFIED': Dependency chain requirements cause
alternate desktop spins to still pull in a large portion of the GNOME stack.
** 'NEXT STEPS': Mike will file ticket with FESCo requesting they
look at dependency chain requirements. This could be a Fedora
Engineering Services task.
** Colin willing to look at helping with dependency chain issues
** 'TICKET': https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345
* 'NON PAIN POINT': Spins SIG does feel that resolution processes
have been working well when they're needed.
* Resources:
** Infrastructure now has the ability to host additional content,
including spins. This has been a long time incoming, and needs to be
implemented and announced, but the capacity is there now.
** Ambassadors who want to pass out specific spins can make requests for
monetary resources to CommArch, to be evaluated in the scope of media
requests and budget.
*** The Board is not taking a stance on what medias should be produced
for any particular event.
* Not sure what to do with feedback from survey work that showed that
some people don't want the board to help or ask questions about how they
can help

=== Next Steps & Positive Outcomes ===
# dependency chain requirements
#* https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345
# hosting space for Spins
#* Each spin should file a request for space with infrastructure
# (tentative) being able to offer AutoQA
#* individual Spins should get involved with QA Team to ensure their
needs are addressed as well as those of the rest of the Project.
# banners on get.fp.o
#* https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/16
# Update wiki pages for information collected

== Default Offering ==
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Current_default_offering
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Different_default_offering
* Give feedback to Paul by tomorrow, 2010-03-02
* Paul will send to Board for approval on 2010-03-02

== Topics and plan for next meeting ==
* John/Chris will take up topic of "What is a target audience?"
* Meet next week, 2010-03-08 at 20:00 UTC (3:00pm EST/12:00pm PST)
_______________________________________________
advisory-board mailing list
advisory-board@lists.fedoraproject.org
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board

----- End forwarded message -----
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:18 PM
Matt Domsch
 
Default SWG Spins discussion and follow-up actions

FYI, these were the notes from last Monday's Board Strategic Working
Group meeting, where your responses to the Board's questions were
noted and discussed. From this, there are several specific actions we
would like to see taken:

# the problems hampering Spins due to long GNOME dependency chain
requirements has a ticket open for FESCo to discuss.
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345

# hosting space for Spins for direct http downloads will be made available by Infrastructure.
Each spin should file a request for space with infrastructure.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR

# being able to offer AutoQA
individual Spins should get involved with QA Team to ensure their
needs are addressed as well as those of the rest of the Project.
This is highly dependent on Spins owners contributing to the QA
methodologies and even direct test efforts - QA is already feeling
overwhelmed, and we need to scale this process out across more volunteers.

# banners on get.fp.o -> spins.fp.o
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/16
People with web site building experience are asked to participate in
the websites team to remove "waiting on someone who can" as a possible
bottleneck.


I thank you all for your valuable input and continuing contributions
to Fedora.

Thanks,
Matt



----- Forwarded message from John Poelstra <poelstra@redhat.com> -----

Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:17:37 -0800
From: John Poelstra <poelstra@redhat.com>
To: advisory-board@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Board SWG Meeting 2010-03-01 Recap
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100120 Fedora/3.0.1-1.fc12 Thunderbird/3.0.1

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_strategic_working_group_2010-03-01

== Roll Call ==
* Attendees: John Poelstra, Paul Frields, Chris Tyler, Mike McGrath,
Colin Walters, Matt Domsch
* Notes from last meeting:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_strategic_working_group_2010-02-22

== Spins Work ==
* Background:
** Matt and Colin have been collecting feedback to questions asked
**
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Walters/SpinsSigsRemixes_TargetAudience
**
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Walters/SpinsSigsRemixes_ChangeDistribution
** http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2010-February/000996.html
** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mdomsch/SWG_Spins
* Each spin producing group does believe they can and should define a
target audience
* John: would it help clarify our message to refer to the live gnome
desktop as the 'default offering' rather than referring to it as a spin?
** Paul: Spins were initially conceived as a range of things the
community can produce that are alternatives to what we feel must be
created, or add-ons that narrowly focus on special use cases
* Matt: Rel-eng sits in the middle of the spin creation process right
now -- a couple communication breakdowns have happened over time,
sometimes spin producers didn't know their spin was being built
** Matt: semi-OT -- at some point need to reconsider the question of who
builds the spins. Does it always have to be Release Engineering?
** Paul: more narrowly aimed spins (FEL, Games, ...) seem to nail their
use cases quite well
* Top of mind problem seems to be some dependency chains
(system-config-keyboard), whether or not that is the most serious
problem or not isn't clear
* 'PAIN POINT IDENTIFIED': Dependency chain requirements cause
alternate desktop spins to still pull in a large portion of the GNOME stack.
** 'NEXT STEPS': Mike will file ticket with FESCo requesting they
look at dependency chain requirements. This could be a Fedora
Engineering Services task.
** Colin willing to look at helping with dependency chain issues
** 'TICKET': https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345
* 'NON PAIN POINT': Spins SIG does feel that resolution processes
have been working well when they're needed.
* Resources:
** Infrastructure now has the ability to host additional content,
including spins. This has been a long time incoming, and needs to be
implemented and announced, but the capacity is there now.
** Ambassadors who want to pass out specific spins can make requests for
monetary resources to CommArch, to be evaluated in the scope of media
requests and budget.
*** The Board is not taking a stance on what medias should be produced
for any particular event.
* Not sure what to do with feedback from survey work that showed that
some people don't want the board to help or ask questions about how they
can help

=== Next Steps & Positive Outcomes ===
# dependency chain requirements
#* https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345
# hosting space for Spins
#* Each spin should file a request for space with infrastructure
# (tentative) being able to offer AutoQA
#* individual Spins should get involved with QA Team to ensure their
needs are addressed as well as those of the rest of the Project.
# banners on get.fp.o
#* https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/16
# Update wiki pages for information collected

== Default Offering ==
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Current_default_offering
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Different_default_offering
* Give feedback to Paul by tomorrow, 2010-03-02
* Paul will send to Board for approval on 2010-03-02

== Topics and plan for next meeting ==
* John/Chris will take up topic of "What is a target audience?"
* Meet next week, 2010-03-08 at 20:00 UTC (3:00pm EST/12:00pm PST)
_______________________________________________
advisory-board mailing list
advisory-board@lists.fedoraproject.org
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board

----- End forwarded message -----
_______________________________________________
games mailing list
games@lists.fedoraproject.org
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/games
 
Old 03-04-2010, 08:22 PM
Matt Domsch
 
Default SWG Spins discussion and follow-up actions

FYI, these were the notes from last Monday's Board Strategic Working
Group meeting, where your responses to the Board's questions were
noted and discussed. From this, there are several specific actions we
would like to see taken:

# the problems hampering Spins due to long GNOME dependency chain
requirements has a ticket open for FESCo to discuss.
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345

# hosting space for Spins for direct http downloads will be made available by Infrastructure.
Each spin should file a request for space with infrastructure.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR

# being able to offer AutoQA
individual Spins should get involved with QA Team to ensure their
needs are addressed as well as those of the rest of the Project.
This is highly dependent on Spins owners contributing to the QA
methodologies and even direct test efforts - QA is already feeling
overwhelmed, and we need to scale this process out across more volunteers.

# banners on get.fp.o -> spins.fp.o
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/16
People with web site building experience are asked to participate in
the websites team to remove "waiting on someone who can" as a possible
bottleneck.


I thank you all for your valuable input and continuing contributions
to Fedora.

Thanks,
Matt



----- Forwarded message from John Poelstra <poelstra@redhat.com> -----

Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:17:37 -0800
From: John Poelstra <poelstra@redhat.com>
To: advisory-board@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Board SWG Meeting 2010-03-01 Recap
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100120 Fedora/3.0.1-1.fc12 Thunderbird/3.0.1

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_strategic_working_group_2010-03-01

== Roll Call ==
* Attendees: John Poelstra, Paul Frields, Chris Tyler, Mike McGrath,
Colin Walters, Matt Domsch
* Notes from last meeting:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_strategic_working_group_2010-02-22

== Spins Work ==
* Background:
** Matt and Colin have been collecting feedback to questions asked
**
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Walters/SpinsSigsRemixes_TargetAudience
**
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Walters/SpinsSigsRemixes_ChangeDistribution
** http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2010-February/000996.html
** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mdomsch/SWG_Spins
* Each spin producing group does believe they can and should define a
target audience
* John: would it help clarify our message to refer to the live gnome
desktop as the 'default offering' rather than referring to it as a spin?
** Paul: Spins were initially conceived as a range of things the
community can produce that are alternatives to what we feel must be
created, or add-ons that narrowly focus on special use cases
* Matt: Rel-eng sits in the middle of the spin creation process right
now -- a couple communication breakdowns have happened over time,
sometimes spin producers didn't know their spin was being built
** Matt: semi-OT -- at some point need to reconsider the question of who
builds the spins. Does it always have to be Release Engineering?
** Paul: more narrowly aimed spins (FEL, Games, ...) seem to nail their
use cases quite well
* Top of mind problem seems to be some dependency chains
(system-config-keyboard), whether or not that is the most serious
problem or not isn't clear
* 'PAIN POINT IDENTIFIED': Dependency chain requirements cause
alternate desktop spins to still pull in a large portion of the GNOME stack.
** 'NEXT STEPS': Mike will file ticket with FESCo requesting they
look at dependency chain requirements. This could be a Fedora
Engineering Services task.
** Colin willing to look at helping with dependency chain issues
** 'TICKET': https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345
* 'NON PAIN POINT': Spins SIG does feel that resolution processes
have been working well when they're needed.
* Resources:
** Infrastructure now has the ability to host additional content,
including spins. This has been a long time incoming, and needs to be
implemented and announced, but the capacity is there now.
** Ambassadors who want to pass out specific spins can make requests for
monetary resources to CommArch, to be evaluated in the scope of media
requests and budget.
*** The Board is not taking a stance on what medias should be produced
for any particular event.
* Not sure what to do with feedback from survey work that showed that
some people don't want the board to help or ask questions about how they
can help

=== Next Steps & Positive Outcomes ===
# dependency chain requirements
#* https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345
# hosting space for Spins
#* Each spin should file a request for space with infrastructure
# (tentative) being able to offer AutoQA
#* individual Spins should get involved with QA Team to ensure their
needs are addressed as well as those of the rest of the Project.
# banners on get.fp.o
#* https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/16
# Update wiki pages for information collected

== Default Offering ==
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Current_default_offering
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Different_default_offering
* Give feedback to Paul by tomorrow, 2010-03-02
* Paul will send to Board for approval on 2010-03-02

== Topics and plan for next meeting ==
* John/Chris will take up topic of "What is a target audience?"
* Meet next week, 2010-03-08 at 20:00 UTC (3:00pm EST/12:00pm PST)
_______________________________________________
advisory-board mailing list
advisory-board@lists.fedoraproject.org
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board

----- End forwarded message -----
_______________________________________________
games mailing list
games@lists.fedoraproject.org
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/games
 
Old 03-04-2010, 09:22 PM
"Jeroen van Meeuwen (Fedora Project)"
 
Default SWG Spins discussion and follow-up actions

On 03/04/2010 10:18 PM, Matt Domsch wrote:
> FYI, these were the notes from last Monday's Board Strategic Working
> Group meeting, where your responses to the Board's questions were
> noted and discussed.

Yet, I fail to see how any of this has anything to do with the Board SWG
specifically, or the topic of "Target Audiences" in general.

Has any feedback on the original subject been collected?

-- Jeroen
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