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Old 01-20-2009, 11:16 PM
Jeroen van Meeuwen
 
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Bruno Wolff III wrote:

I needed to drop about 160 MB from the iso. I got a list of the installed
rpms and sorted them by size. Everything above about 10 or 20 MB was a
game or a dependency of a game. Trying to remove stuff that wasn't a game
but pulled in as part of the desktop was going to require removing at least
10 packages and whatever depended on them. Most likely it would have ended
up being many smaller packages. Of the top games in size it appeared to
be less unique than some others. I also had the option to remove several
smaller games, but that also seemed like a bad option.



Not sure if it helps, but revisor allows for reporting the sizes of the
packages used; --report-sizes


Bear in mind though livecd-tools is used for the official compose, and
naturally there's a difference in how revisor or livecd-tools composes
the media.


-Jeroen

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Old 01-21-2009, 01:10 PM
Bruno Wolff III
 
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Below is the top 100 packages based on rpm size. The number is the size
in 1024 byte blocks. PersonalCopy-Lite-patches was a dependency of a lot
of stuff including some games.

If the restriction holds for the beta I'll look more carefully at what
gets added using the desktop ks as a base over the base ks. That would
give me a better idea of what was removable. But I might still end up
pulling one of the larger games.

368736 nexuiz-data-2.4.2-1.fc10.noarch.rpm
274100 openarena-0.7.7-2.fc10.noarch.rpm
273088 alienarena-data-20081016-1.fc10.noarch.rpm
245184 FlightGear-data-1.9.0-1.fc11.noarch.rpm
142912 wesnoth-data-1.4.7-1.fc11.noarch.rpm
124444 freedroidrpg-0.11.1-2.fc11.i386.rpm
101248 fillets-ng-data-0.8.0-2.noarch.rpm
99280 tremulous-data-1.1.0-4.fc8.noarch.rpm
75276 astromenace-data-1.2-1.fc8.noarch.rpm
67840 beneath-a-steel-sky-cd-0.0372-2.fc8.noarch.rpm
63844 glest-data-3.1.2-1.fc9.noarch.rpm
62884 egoboo-data-2.7.5-3.fc11.noarch.rpm
62380 boswars-2.5-1.fc9.i386.rpm
61816 widelands-0-0.13.Build13.fc11.i386.rpm
59192 supertuxkart-0.5-2.fc10.i386.rpm
58712 scorched3d-41.3-4.fc11.i386.rpm
55920 torcs-data-tracks-road-1.3.0-2.noarch.rpm
50272 wormux-data-0.8.2-3.fc11.i386.rpm
49700 openlierox-0.57-0.11.beta8.fc11.i386.rpm
49656 gcompris-8.4.8-2.fc11.i386.rpm
45752 PersonalCopy-Lite-patches-4.1-3.fc9.noarch.rpm
44124 warzone2100-2.1.0-1.fc11.i386.rpm
44004 supertux-0.3.1-4.fc11.i386.rpm
38640 nethack-vultures-2.1.0-15.fc11.i386.rpm
38268 lincity-ng-data-1.97-0.3.beta.fc11.i386.rpm
36264 flight-of-the-amazon-queen-cd-1.0-2.fc8.noarch.rpm
35588 blobAndConquer-1.0-1.fc10.i386.rpm
33220 nogravity-data-2.00-4.fc9.noarch.rpm
32920 kdegames-4.1.96-1.fc11.i386.rpm
32908 hedgewars-0.9.8-2.fc11.i386.rpm
32428 java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-8.b14.fc11.i386.rpm
32368 stellarium-0.10.0-3.fc11.i386.rpm
30508 OpenSceneGraph-libs-2.6.0-1.fc10.i386.rpm
29888 tuxpaint-stamps-2008.06.30-1.fc10.noarch.rpm
29344 asc-2.2.0.0-2.fc11.i386.rpm
27852 maniadrive-music-1.0-2.fc8.noarch.rpm
27816 extremetuxracer-0.4-1.fc9.i386.rpm
23692 celestia-1.5.0-1.fc9.i386.rpm
22548 glibc-common-2.9.90-2.i386.rpm
21864 raidem-music-1.0-2.fc8.noarch.rpm
20836 xmoto-0.5.0-3.fc11.i386.rpm
20268 kernel-2.6.29-0.41.rc2.fc11.i686.rpm
20212 trackballs-music-1.2-4.fc8.noarch.rpm
20040 frozen-bubble-2.1.0-9.fc10.i386.rpm
19532 foomatic-4.0.0-1.fc11.i386.rpm
19420 auriferous-1.0.1-5.fc9.i386.rpm
19296 libgcj-4.3.2-7.i386.rpm
18712 Ri-li-2.0.1-3.fc9.i386.rpm
18180 torcs-data-1.3.0-2.noarch.rpm
17816 kdelibs3-3.5.10-3.fc11.i386.rpm
16824 magicor-1.1-2.fc11.noarch.rpm
16156 maniadrive-data-1.2-2.fc8.noarch.rpm
16088 ultimatestunts-0.7.5-2.fc11.i386.rpm
15412 gimp-2.6.4-3.fc11.i386.rpm
15056 oxygen-icon-theme-4.1.96-2.fc11.noarch.rpm
14740 gnubg-0.9.0.1-5.fc11.i386.rpm
14344 neverball-1.4.0-14.fc11.i386.rpm
14144 perl-5.10.0-53.fc11.i386.rpm
13608 kdelibs-4.1.96-9.fc11.i386.rpm
13448 libgweather-2.25.4-1.fc11.i386.rpm
12880 solar-backgrounds-0.92.0-1.fc10.noarch.rpm
12496 qt-x11-4.4.3-11.fc11.i386.rpm
12368 evolution-2.25.4-1.fc11.i386.rpm
11920 bzflag-2.0.12-4.fc11.i386.rpm
11768 pingus-0.7.2-4.fc11.i386.rpm
11664 wxPython-2.8.9.1-2.fc11.i386.rpm
11540 netpanzer-0.8.2-4.fc11.i386.rpm
11168 samba-common-3.2.5-0.23.fc11.i386.rpm
10640 glob2-0.9.3-2.fc11.i386.rpm
10552 xulrunner-1.9.1-0.6.beta2.fc11.i386.rpm
10532 asc-music-1.0-2.fc8.noarch.rpm
10428 powermanga-0.90-4.i386.rpm
10368 cjkunifonts-uming-0.2.20080216.1-13.fc11.noarch.rpm
9860 xblast-data-2.10.0-4.fc11.noarch.rpm
9612 torcs-data-cars-extra-1.3.0-2.noarch.rpm
9600 freeciv-2.1.8-1.fc11.i386.rpm
9580 gnome-backgrounds-2.24.0-2.fc10.noarch.rpm
9412 enigma-1.01-7.1.i386.rpm
9356 amoebax-0.2.0-3.fc9.i386.rpm
8536 wordwarvi-0.24-1.fc11.i386.rpm
8148 tuxpaint-0.9.20-2.fc11.i386.rpm
8100 freecol-0.7.4-4.fc11.noarch.rpm
8072 xerces-j2-2.7.1-10.2.fc10.i386.rpm
7552 libpurple-2.5.4-1.fc11.i386.rpm
7436 libabiword-2.6.6-9.fc11.i386.rpm
7220 freedoom-0.6.2-2.fc11.noarch.rpm
6992 tuxtype2-1.5.17-1.fc10.i386.rpm
6840 rocksndiamonds-3.2.6.0-1.fc11.i386.rpm
6816 libicu-4.0.1-1.fc11.i386.rpm
6796 trackballs-1.1.4-7.fc11.i386.rpm
6744 ghostscript-8.63-4.fc10.i386.rpm
6600 alienblaster-1.1.0-4.fc9.i386.rpm
6320 blobwars-1.09b2-2.fc10.i386.rpm
6268 gnome-applets-2.25.3-3.fc11.i386.rpm
5960 gnome-utils-2.25.2-1.fc11.i386.rpm
5940 worminator-data-3.0R2.1-4.fc8.noarch.rpm
5840 glibc-2.9.90-2.i686.rpm
5832 nautilus-2.25.2-6.fc11.i386.rpm
5820 python-2.6-4.fc11.i386.rpm
5796 anaconda-11.5.0.9-1.i386.rpm

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Old 01-22-2009, 02:34 AM
Wart
 
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Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> Below is the top 100 packages based on rpm size. The number is the size
> in 1024 byte blocks. PersonalCopy-Lite-patches was a dependency of a lot
> of stuff including some games.
>
> If the restriction holds for the beta I'll look more carefully at what
> gets added using the desktop ks as a base over the base ks. That would
> give me a better idea of what was removable. But I might still end up
> pulling one of the larger games.
>

> 27852 maniadrive-music-1.0-2.fc8.noarch.rpm
> 21864 raidem-music-1.0-2.fc8.noarch.rpm
> 20212 trackballs-music-1.2-4.fc8.noarch.rpm
> 10532 asc-music-1.0-2.fc8.noarch.rpm


I would suggest cutting the *-music packages first. That cleans up
~80GB with no real loss in playability.

--Wart

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Old 01-22-2009, 11:35 AM
Bruno Wolff III
 
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FYI there has been a thread
(http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-spins/2009-January/000420.html)
started to discuss whether or not published DVD iso's will be allowed to be
over 4 GiB. Since this affects the games spin I thought I would mention it
here, since some of you seem to have opinions on this.

It would be especially useful to hear from people that have estimates on how
many Windows users that are likely to try out Fedora spins are likely to
be using vfat on their C: drive.

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Old 01-24-2009, 07:10 PM
Callum Lerwick
 
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to> wrote:
> It would be especially useful to hear from people that have estimates on how
> many Windows users that are likely to try out Fedora spins are likely to
> be using vfat on their C: drive.

According to the latest Steam hardware survey:

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

97.33% of users are using NTFS. (Click "Other settings" on the bottom)

Really the only worry I see is that 4GB+ images probably won't work
for Live USB. USB sticks are usually FAT, and I think the Live USB
system requires it, as it uses syslinux. Booting Live USB off NTFS or
ext2 should be possible to implement. NTFS patches for GRUB exist, but
Fedora's GRUB doesn't seem to have them:

http://www.geocities.com/lode_leroy/grubinstall/

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Old 01-24-2009, 08:31 PM
Bruno Wolff III
 
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This is pretty useful, I am going to try to tie this into a thread on the
spins list which might end up looking weird for threading.

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 14:10:55 -0600,
Callum Lerwick <seg@haxxed.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to> wrote:
> > It would be especially useful to hear from people that have estimates on how
> > many Windows users that are likely to try out Fedora spins are likely to
> > be using vfat on their C: drive.
>
> According to the latest Steam hardware survey:
>
> http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
>
> 97.33% of users are using NTFS. (Click "Other settings" on the bottom)
>
> Really the only worry I see is that 4GB+ images probably won't work
> for Live USB. USB sticks are usually FAT, and I think the Live USB
> system requires it, as it uses syslinux. Booting Live USB off NTFS or
> ext2 should be possible to implement. NTFS patches for GRUB exist, but
> Fedora's GRUB doesn't seem to have them:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/lode_leroy/grubinstall/

Grub also allows its files to be referenced by block numbers. That could
be used to work around loading the grub config file.

I don't think getting people to reformat their usb drives is that big of
a deal. They can copy stuff off, format it, and then copy stuff back.
The issue is getting it to work both as liveusb and still letting it be
used under windows for moving files around.

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Old 02-17-2009, 09:48 PM
Bruno Wolff III
 
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The spin will definitately be limited to 4 GiB.

I am testing removing Wine in order to keep the x86_64 spin about the same
size. (Wine pulls in a bunch of 386 libs.)

I was also planning on removing wget since being based on the desktop
kickstart I'll just take whatever it pulls in.

I was going to drop dosbox as we are trying to show off Fedora's games,
not being able to run emulators for mostly propietary stuff.

I need to keep an eye on space still as the spin is very close to the size
limit and changes in packages could end up putting the spin over.

I haven't finished get the newer spin page done yet. The general stuff is
there, but I need to include a game list which will be a bit of typing.
I want to get this done this week so that the spin wrangler will have plenty
of time to review before the next Spin SIG meeting.

I still could use a maintainer to take a look at nethack and see if it's
font setup just needs the Requires(post) and add it if it does.

I haven't gotten any feedback from the Alpha Spin. I have noticed some people
grabbing a copy as I have been trying to help seed. So I think a few people
are using it.

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Old 02-17-2009, 10:08 PM
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
 
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On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 16:48 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> I haven't gotten any feedback from the Alpha Spin. I have noticed some people
> grabbing a copy as I have been trying to help seed. So I think a few people
> are using it.

The torrent performance has been awful because leechers haven't been
sticking around to seed for the most part. I just managed to finish
downloading it today.

--
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazqueznet@gmail.com>

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Old 02-17-2009, 10:34 PM
Bruno Wolff III
 
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 18:08:33 -0500,
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazqueznet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 16:48 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > I haven't gotten any feedback from the Alpha Spin. I have noticed some people
> > grabbing a copy as I have been trying to help seed. So I think a few people
> > are using it.
>
> The torrent performance has been awful because leechers haven't been
> sticking around to seed for the most part. I just managed to finish
> downloading it today.

Most of the time I am seeding it and I can put out data at around 400KB/s.
>From checking the status, either people can't download that fast or there
were other people also seeding at good rates. Only a few times have I seen
people grabbing data at more than 100 KB/s.

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Old 02-18-2009, 05:27 PM
Bruno Wolff III
 
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 16:48:07 -0600,
Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to> wrote:
>
> I am testing removing Wine in order to keep the x86_64 spin about the same
> size. (Wine pulls in a bunch of 386 libs.)

This seems to work. I haven't committed the changes yet, but will do so soon.

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