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Old 05-21-2008, 04:42 AM
Nigel Jones
 
Default New Xorg

Jonathan Dieter wrote:

I know this probably isn't the place to do this, but I'm not sure what
the right place is. ajax & Dave, thank you for the work you've done on
the new Xorg. I know there have been lots of complaints, and, as an
nVidia user, I understand them.

I'm a nVidia user too, the only problem(s) I experience is the displayed
area is a few pixels to the right than it should be (I could fix this
but it'd stuff up dual boot) and it's a bit slower than what I remember
F8 to be.


I understand all the different viewpoints and reasons, we don't want our
users left with out of date trash for 5 months until F10 is out, and
nVidia wanted to make sure that nothing was going to change on them.


*NO ONE* is to blame, just an unfortunate coincidence of release cycles,
there isn't much point delaying a release till absolutely everything is
out of beta and also, it provides an excellent method for users to play
a part in improving Fedora, get them to report their thoughts/problems/bugs!

However, the stuff you're working on for *all* the other drivers is
pretty incredible and more than makes up for a few weeks without
eye-candy on my primary system. The way it all works on Intel video
cards is great, and I'm particularly impressed with the DRI2 stuff
(though kernel mode-setting is pretty cool too). Please keep it up.

I think an excellent job has been done and I think credit must be given
when it's due, and it is.


- Nigel

(Oh and can we keep this thread on a positive note, too many negative
e-mails lately... just for our sanity.... please... pretty please?)


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Old 05-21-2008, 04:56 AM
Hans de Goede
 
Default New Xorg

Jonathan Dieter wrote:

I know this probably isn't the place to do this, but I'm not sure what
the right place is. ajax & Dave, thank you for the work you've done on
the new Xorg. I know there have been lots of complaints, and, as an
nVidia user, I understand them.

However, the stuff you're working on for *all* the other drivers is
pretty incredible and more than makes up for a few weeks without
eye-candy on my primary system. The way it all works on Intel video
cards is great, and I'm particularly impressed with the DRI2 stuff
(though kernel mode-setting is pretty cool too). Please keep it up.



+1

Regards,

Hans (who only owns radeon, intel and s3 videocards, gee I wonder why
that is)


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Old 05-21-2008, 05:40 AM
Gilboa Davara
 
Default New Xorg

On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 07:13 +0300, Jonathan Dieter wrote:
> I know this probably isn't the place to do this, but I'm not sure what
> the right place is. ajax & Dave, thank you for the work you've done on
> the new Xorg. I know there have been lots of complaints, and, as an
> nVidia user, I understand them.
>
> However, the stuff you're working on for *all* the other drivers is
> pretty incredible and more than makes up for a few weeks without
> eye-candy on my primary system. The way it all works on Intel video
> cards is great, and I'm particularly impressed with the DRI2 stuff
> (though kernel mode-setting is pretty cool too). Please keep it up.
>
> Jonathan

/+1.

Even-though I've got a number of F8 machines with nVidia cards, I still
support the X.org maintainer's decision to use a pre-release
X.org/X-server version.
Being an OSS project, Fedora should -only- consider the state of their
OSS eco-system when making decisions.

More-ever, I find that blaming Fedora for not making decisions based on
nVidia's policy while ignoring the (sad) state of the OSS nv driver, is
nothing short of hypocrisy.

If -I- chose* to to use binary drivers - Fedora should not be held
accountable for -my- decision.

- Gilboa
* At least until ATI/AMD OSS drivers mature and gain significant 3D
support.


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Old 05-21-2008, 07:17 AM
Emmanuel Seyman
 
Default New Xorg

* Gilboa Davara [21/05/2008 08:53] :
>
> Even-though I've got a number of F8 machines with nVidia cards, I still
> support the X.org maintainer's decision to use a pre-release
> X.org/X-server version.

+1

Nvidia cards will only work on GNU/Linux when the nouveau driver works
well enough for everyday use. Anything else (this includes binary
drivers) is a hack.

Emmanuel

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Old 05-21-2008, 07:48 AM
Kevin Page
 
Default New Xorg

On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 22:24 -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
> Me too. I'd not use it if I could have spanning desktops in the OSS
> version of the driver.

This now works for me with nouveau in F9 (thanks!), though I appreciate
it may not for all nvidia cards. I need to add:
"Option" "randr12" "1"
to xorg.conf

I very much support the stance Fedora takes on this!

kev.

(Though it has to be said, my previous solution - adding a Radeon PCI
card as the second head to the Nvidia PCIe card inflicted upon me -
still doesn't seem to work, with no indication as to whether it ever
will/should. It's tough to find a dual-head DVI solution using open
source drivers; speculatively buying hardware until something works
isn't always feasible.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2597
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227851
)

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Old 05-21-2008, 10:37 PM
"Pavel Shevchuk"
 
Default New Xorg

I should add that nvidia, contrary to ati, never made me cry out loud
for better driver, and having UNRELEASED xserver is my own fault. With
LATEST STABLE xserver 1.4 and latest driver i am more than happy with
my 8600gt playing nexuiz, openarena and warsow.

This thread reminds me rants of people who fail offroad having sports car

On 5/21/08, Kevin Page <fedora-devel-list@krp.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 22:24 -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
> > Me too. I'd not use it if I could have spanning desktops in the OSS
> > version of the driver.
>
>
> This now works for me with nouveau in F9 (thanks!), though I appreciate
> it may not for all nvidia cards. I need to add:
> "Option" "randr12" "1"
> to xorg.conf
>
> I very much support the stance Fedora takes on this!
>
> kev.
>
> (Though it has to be said, my previous solution - adding a Radeon PCI
> card as the second head to the Nvidia PCIe card inflicted upon me -
> still doesn't seem to work, with no indication as to whether it ever
> will/should. It's tough to find a dual-head DVI solution using open
> source drivers; speculatively buying hardware until something works
> isn't always feasible.
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2597
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227851
>
> )
>
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:35 AM
Andrew Bartlett
 
Default New Xorg

On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 07:13 +0300, Jonathan Dieter wrote:
> I know this probably isn't the place to do this, but I'm not sure what
> the right place is. ajax & Dave, thank you for the work you've done on
> the new Xorg. I know there have been lots of complaints, and, as an
> nVidia user, I understand them.
>
> However, the stuff you're working on for *all* the other drivers is
> pretty incredible and more than makes up for a few weeks without
> eye-candy on my primary system. The way it all works on Intel video
> cards is great, and I'm particularly impressed with the DRI2 stuff
> (though kernel mode-setting is pretty cool too). Please keep it up.

Indeed. Fedora 9 has the best X experience that I've had with Linux. I
ran rawhide and followed the ride, but the end result was *so* worth it.
(Plugging my laptop into random monitors and projectors, with all sorts
of resolutions, and having it just work, is a god-send).

Andrew Bartlett

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