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Old 05-13-2008, 06:50 PM
Felix Miata
 
Default The Prophecy of the 9 comes true (Fedora 9 walks the earth!)

On 2008/05/13 10:01 (GMT-0400) Jesse Keating apparently typed:

> An ancient text prophesised this day would come, detailing the fate of
> all who are willing to accept what is offered to them:

> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/index.html

Would be nice if
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Installer.html#sn-scsi-partition-limit
was considerably less subtle about the risk of uninstallability in the
absence of a new disk or disk wipe to put it on:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430836
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:15 PM
Kevin Kofler
 
Default The Prophecy of the 9 comes true (Fedora 9 walks the earth!)

Felix Miata <mrmazda <at> ij.net> writes:
> Would be nice if
>http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Installer.html#sn-scsi-partition-limit
> was considerably less subtle about the risk of uninstallability in the
> absence of a new disk or disk wipe to put it on:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430836

You're overdramatizing here: as you say in the bug report, this only hits
people with more than 15 partitions on a PATA disk. This hasn't been supported
ever since libata was introduced in Fedora 7. There's a big margin between an
empty disk and a disk with 16+ partitions, so claiming it will only install on
an empty disk is misleading.

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Old 05-13-2008, 11:09 PM
Bojan Smojver
 
Default The Prophecy of the 9 comes true (Fedora 9 walks the earth!)

On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 10:01 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:

> And that day has come: the Computer said "I will convert these
> unbelievers, and now that I have Sulphur it will be easy." At that,
> the heavens opened and burning Sulphur descended upon all the world,
> taking on many different forms.

Sorry, but this is such a boring release - upgraded my first box and
everything just worked ;-)

Seriously, nice work folks and thanks!

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Old 05-14-2008, 12:37 AM
Felix Miata
 
Default The Prophecy of the 9 comes true (Fedora 9 walks the earth!)

On 2008/05/13 22:15 (GMT) Kevin Kofler apparently typed:

> Felix Miata <mrmazda <at> ij.net> writes:

>> Would be nice if
>>http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Installer.html#sn-scsi-partition-limit
>> was considerably less subtle about the risk of uninstallability in the
>> absence of a new disk or disk wipe to put it on:
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430836

> You're overdramatizing here:

Not it all. It wouldn't be so bad if it would simply refuse to do anything,
but Anaconda leads you to believe it can succeed by allowing installation to
proceed through selection of (pre-existing) perfectly valid mount points
(sdX15 or below), then crashing, instead of refusing to proceed, or, as
Ubuntu, OpenSUSE & Mandriva do, allowing installation to sdx15 or below
without the waste of time crashing.

> as you say in the bug report, this only hits
> people with more than 15 partitions on a PATA disk. This hasn't been supported
> ever since libata was introduced in Fedora 7.

Fedora 7 took the lead in obsoleting all systems so configured, and only a
little over a year ago. It takes much longer than a year for systems to get
replaced under Fedora's new and arbitrary libata installation demands. Even
now SUSE (11.0 not yet released) and Mandriva (2008.1 just released) still
include legacy drivers as an installation option, which means upgraders from
those earlier versions of those systems needn't get stopped cold as now
happens with Fedora. And now with support for the last of
pre-exclusive-libata Fedora versions falling out of support, it will happen
more often by those who previously were not motivated to upgrade to each most
recent release.

> There's a big margin between an
> empty disk and a disk with 16+ partitions, so claiming it will only install on
> an empty disk is misleading.

There's no good reason for installation crashing doing something other major
distros' installers have no problem with. That's why relnote elaboration needed.

Moreover, what Anaconda really should do, in addition to not crashing, is
provide access to all pre-existing partitions, whether on SATA or PATA or
even real SCSI, via device mapper. Just because LVM exists doesn't mean it's
best for everyone.
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Old 05-14-2008, 01:11 AM
Kevin Kofler
 
Default The Prophecy of the 9 comes true (Fedora 9 walks the earth!)

Felix Miata <mrmazda <at> ij.net> writes:
> happens with Fedora. And now with support for the last of
> pre-exclusive-libata Fedora versions falling out of support, it will happen
> more often by those who previously were not motivated to upgrade to each most
> recent release.

Fedora Core 6, the last pre-libata release of Fedora, was EOLed in December
2007, so all possibly affected existing Fedora users are supposed to have
upgraded already.

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Old 05-14-2008, 01:30 AM
Felix Miata
 
Default The Prophecy of the 9 comes true (Fedora 9 walks the earth!)

On 2008/05/14 01:11 (GMT) Kevin Kofler apparently typed:

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> happens with Fedora. And now with support for the last of
>> pre-exclusive-libata Fedora versions falling out of support, it will happen
>> more often by those who previously were not motivated to upgrade to each most
>> recent release.

> Fedora Core 6, the last pre-libata release of Fedora, was EOLed in December
> 2007, so all possibly affected existing Fedora users are supposed to have
> upgraded already.

I hope you'll forgive me for getting the tense of "fall" wrong. Not being
able to install without a crash limits the number of machines I can attempt
an install on to two older boxes that don't see much use beyond testing Linux
installation tools. That in turn limits the time I can justify spending even
to try, much less actually keep up with things that only matter if you can
get past the installation process. I have to guess a nonzero quantity of
those who were supposed to have upgraded have indeed done so, but not to F7,
F8 or F9.
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