Matthias Clasen wrote:

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 12:18 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LocalePreferences

Enlist and add your comments, ideas, proposals and changes!



I started doing so, but I think I'd rather send my comments here, since
a discussion is easier via mail.

1. '[...] will end up in all LC_* environment variables being set' - I
don't quite follow here. env | grep LC_ comes up empty for me, only LANG
is sent. Who is setting all the LC_ variables for you ?



Try: locale. It'll match LANG unless you've tweaked it.


2. 'Users should be able to adjust their LC_* preferences [...]' is far
to vague imo. What users can be expected to set, reasonably, is their
language and location. Anything beyond that, like picking a default
paper size or time format, seems to be much to specialized for a general
purpose capplet, and is much better done where it is needed (ie paper
size in the print dialog, time format in the clock).



Well, actually all these printer dialogs and clocks (including those in
thunderbird, or the top right corner of the average GNOME desktop),
afaik, get their default from LC_TIME. Setting LC_TIME means you do not
have to change from 12 to 24 hour clocks and back in each and every
application. The same goes for paper dimensions.



3. Note that we are aiming more or less at obsoleting s-c-date with the
intlclock work.



No we're not. One is to create a very simple interface to adjust various
locales with whether in user space or as system defaults, which is
completely separate from s-c-date, the other is to softly imply or
suggest defaults from timezone configuration in s-c-date and/or
anaconda, rather then imply defaults from s-c-language. Note that
s-c-language of course will still need to be able to control LC_* as
well - it might need a little enhancement.


Kind regards,

Jeroen van meeuwen
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On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 01:29 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 12:18 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LocalePreferences
> >>
> >> Enlist and add your comments, ideas, proposals and changes!
> >>
> >
> > I started doing so, but I think I'd rather send my comments here, since
> > a discussion is easier via mail.
> >
> > 1. '[...] will end up in all LC_* environment variables being set' - I
> > don't quite follow here. env | grep LC_ comes up empty for me, only LANG
> > is sent. Who is setting all the LC_ variables for you ?
> >
>
> Try: locale. It'll match LANG unless you've tweaked it.

Of course, I know that. But the feature page makes it sound as if LC_*
are explicitly set.



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Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams �ん�書����:

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 18:31 +1000, Jens Petersen wrote:
Hmm, if I run "LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 gedit" and look at preferences I see
"Fonts and Colors" not "Fonts and Colours" (like for en_GB)?


gedit doesn't have l10n for en_AU.


Yes, I guessed that but shouldn't it fallback to en_GB?

Jens

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Matthias Clasen wrote:

On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 01:29 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:

Matthias Clasen wrote:

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 12:18 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LocalePreferences

Enlist and add your comments, ideas, proposals and changes!


I started doing so, but I think I'd rather send my comments here, since
a discussion is easier via mail.

1. '[...] will end up in all LC_* environment variables being set' - I
don't quite follow here. env | grep LC_ comes up empty for me, only LANG
is sent. Who is setting all the LC_ variables for you ?


Try: locale. It'll match LANG unless you've tweaked it.


Of course, I know that. But the feature page makes it sound as if LC_*
are explicitly set.



Ah, right! I'll make changes and try to choose a more appropriate
wording. Thanks :-)


-Jeroen

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Jens Petersen wrote:

Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams ã�•ã‚“ã�¯æ›¸ã��ã�¾ã�—ã �Ÿ:

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 18:31 +1000, Jens Petersen wrote:
Hmm, if I run "LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 gedit" and look at preferences I see
"Fonts and Colors" not "Fonts and Colours" (like for en_GB)?


gedit doesn't have l10n for en_AU.


Yes, I guessed that but shouldn't it fallback to en_GB?



en_US - or more accurately the untranslated upstream language, I think?

-Jeroen

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On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 10:01:35AM +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> >>gedit doesn't have l10n for en_AU.
> >
> >Yes, I guessed that but shouldn't it fallback to en_GB?
> >
> en_US - or more accurately the untranslated upstream language, I think?

en_GB. en_US is a dialect of the base language and aussie is probably closer
to en_GB than en_US. This is one area open office has a nice model for fallbacks
that would be nice elsewhere.

Alan

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On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 14:27 +1000, Jens Petersen wrote:
> Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams �ん�書����:
> > On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 18:31 +1000, Jens Petersen wrote:
> >> Hmm, if I run "LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 gedit" and look at preferences I see
> >> "Fonts and Colors" not "Fonts and Colours" (like for en_GB)?
> >
> > gedit doesn't have l10n for en_AU.
>
> Yes, I guessed that but shouldn't it fallback to en_GB?
>

Setting LANGUAGE allows you to specify fallbacks, iirc, but setting LANG
does not. LANGUAGE=en_AU:en_GB should do what you expect.

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