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Old 05-04-2008, 12:21 PM
Tim Waugh
 
Default Localisation needs to be improved

On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 10:18 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote:
> Strangely, I get to go through this all because I picked a language and
> stated that I lived somewhere in the installer and the installer chooses
> to assume all sorts of things about where I live from the language I
> choose to use, rather than the location I live in.

This is the latest bug report I filed about that:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=442567

Tim.
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:42 PM
Andrew Farris
 
Default Localisation needs to be improved

nodata wrote:

Am Sonntag, den 04.05.2008, 01:34 -0700 schrieb Andrew Farris:

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:

Pavel Shevchuk wrote:

s-c-language could be obfuscated =P

Well.. that is the system administration tool setting the default
language for the system; it is not a user-tool setting the defaults for
the user account. But... something like s-c-language in user-land, yeah.
I have a feeling anyone who submits a package review for a spanky-new python gui
app called 'system-config-locale' will get a quiet golfclap, a reviewer, and
probably a couple helping co-maintainer-hands in a heartbeat.


Again, s-c tools are for the whole system. I think you mean
gnome-properties-


And if I wanted to set the default locales for all my future users... (I
actually did mean what I suggested). You may be right that more than one tool
is needed.


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Old 05-04-2008, 05:20 PM
nodata
 
Default Localisation needs to be improved

Am Sonntag, den 04.05.2008, 13:16 +1000 schrieb Rodd Clarkson:
> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 04:18 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> > Pavel Shevchuk wrote:
> > > You chose Australia on timezone selection screen.
> > >
> > > Anaconda can't handle such specific needs without making GUI
> > > obfuscated, and it works OK for most users already.
> > >
>
> Oh great. X seems to work for most people, so let's just leave it at
> that. It will make Ajax's work a lot easier. For that matter, the
> kernel seems to work for most people so let's just leave it at that.
> etc.
>
> > True, anaconda may not be able to handle it without obfuscating the GUI,
> > and I don't think it's something that needs to be done during the
> > installation or even during firstboot.
>
> Actually, while there needs to be tools to adjust it afterwards, this is
> most definitely something anaconda should be getting right.
>
> You're average (non-advanced) users they are highly unlikely to know
> that this can be managed some other way and will most likely just curse
> and groan their way through each change they have to make at the
> applications level to get it right.
>
> As an example, I have to change the paper settings in a number of places
> in cups so that it knows I use A4 paper. Add to this that evince
> doesn't honor this, so I have to tell it that I'm printing A4 otherwise
> every thing is scaled down just a little. OOo also needs to be told
> about my A4 habit because it doesn't seem to honor cup's settings
> either. And that's just a start.
>
> Temperatures set to Fahrenheit. Measurements in inches, feet and yards.
>
> Getting this right at the install reaches deeply into the entire user
> experience, and should be done right at the install. After all, once I
> customize all these settings, a change to system-config-locale is
> unlikely to see these settings changing accordingly.
>
> > > Advanced users can customize locale manually. Casual users want less
> > > buttons and get work done faster. I vote for leaving it as is.
>
> I don't know what to say about this argument. You seem to be arguing
> that it's okay that we get this wrong, because advanced users can work
> around it.
>
> Besides, while I'm not sure I'm an advanced user, I also don't want to
> either have to redo this every six months (with each release of fedora)
> or ignore something that's broken just because it can fix it easily and
> ignore how much it might inconvenience other less advanced users.
>
> I say it should be fixed.
>
>
> R.
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> It's much better on my side"
>

Are you suggesting a "firstboot" for first time user logins?

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