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Joe Orton 04-29-2008 10:11 AM

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Hi, Elio Maldonado Batiz has been diligently hacking away at converting
the crypto-utils package to use NSS instead of OpenSSL, see bug
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=346731.

This is a big chunk of work and is now ready to commit; I don't
particularly want to play gatekeeper for this, could someone sponsor
Elio to join the cvsextras group? Elio's username is emaldonado.

Regards,

joe

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Joe Orton 04-29-2008 01:15 PM

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Thanks to Tomas Mraz who sorted this out for us!

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Christopher Aillon 04-29-2008 07:41 PM

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On 04/29/2008 06:11 AM, Joe Orton wrote:
Hi, Elio Maldonado Batiz has been diligently hacking away at converting
the crypto-utils package to use NSS instead of OpenSSL, see bug
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=346731.


This is a big chunk of work and is now ready to commit; I don't
particularly want to play gatekeeper for this, could someone sponsor
Elio to join the cvsextras group? Elio's username is emaldonado.


Joe, I think this is a great time to point out that you too can become a
sponsor and be able to help with new contributors. It is rather unfair
to ask people here to do so since being a sponsor requires a certain
level of commitment to helping the sponsoree with problems they may
encounter. It seems that you are willing to do that for Elio, and
should be his sponsor.


See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/SponsorProcess for
more details.


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Hans de Goede 04-29-2008 08:07 PM

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Christopher Aillon wrote:

On 04/29/2008 06:11 AM, Joe Orton wrote:
Hi, Elio Maldonado Batiz has been diligently hacking away at
converting the crypto-utils package to use NSS instead of OpenSSL, see
bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=346731.


This is a big chunk of work and is now ready to commit; I don't
particularly want to play gatekeeper for this, could someone sponsor
Elio to join the cvsextras group? Elio's username is emaldonado.


Joe, I think this is a great time to point out that you too can become a
sponsor and be able to help with new contributors. It is rather unfair
to ask people here to do so since being a sponsor requires a certain
level of commitment to helping the sponsoree with problems they may
encounter. It seems that you are willing to do that for Elio, and
should be his sponsor.




Which is pointing out one very big sore point in Fedora after the merge between
core and extras, very little people seem to have been appointed sponsor,
certainly something where IMHO FESco is dropping the ball.


I would like to suggest to FESco to put talking about possible sponsor
candidates every meeting (in a closed fashion, openness is good, but talking
about people skills or lake thereof in public is asking for trouble).


In the pre merger days, I believe that sponsors where voted upon by the current
sponsors, or atleast the list of current sponsors was mailed for what they
thought of someone who was up for becoming a sponsor, I haven't seen any such
mails in a long long time!


Regards,

Hans

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Jason L Tibbitts III 04-29-2008 09:46 PM

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>>>>> "HdG" == Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl> writes:

HdG> Which is pointing out one very big sore point in Fedora after the
HdG> merge between core and extras, very little people seem to have
HdG> been appointed sponsor, certainly something where IMHO FESco is
HdG> dropping the ball.

Well, nothing prevents anyone from nominating themselves or someone
else; FESCo only needs to discuss and vote. I don't recall any
nominations recently.

HdG> I would like to suggest to FESco to put talking about possible
HdG> sponsor candidates every meeting (in a closed fashion, openness
HdG> is good, but talking about people skills or lake thereof in
HdG> public is asking for trouble).

I always point out people who deserve to be made sponsors when I
notice them or when they are brought to my attention. Some of that
was driven by the status reports which unfortunately haven't been
generated lately, and that's definitely an item for FESCo to consider
post haste. I guess we could add a standing item to the schedule to
discuss new sponsor nominations; we used to have one and I'm not sure
where it went. Unfortunately the community isn't stepping up with
nominations, and the discussion will be pretty short unless that
changes.

HdG> In the pre merger days, I believe that sponsors where voted upon
HdG> by the current sponsors, or atleast the list of current sponsors
HdG> was mailed for what they thought of someone who was up for
HdG> becoming a sponsor, I haven't seen any such mails in a long long
HdG> time!

FESCo generally runs sponsor nominations by the existing sponsors to
get additional input. But again, nothing prevents any existing
community member (existing sponsors included!) from pointing out
someone who should be made a sponsor. Honestly, I think this is
something the sponsors should really be doing, rather than FESCo.

Should any of the people you've sponsored be considered for sponsor
status?

Here are three action items I propose for Thursday's FESCo meeting:

1) Investigate the status reports; try to get them run at least once a
month.

2) Investigate ways to make it easier to figure out who a particular
sponsor has sponsored; I need to periodically look over my "flock"
but I've unfortunately lost track and it's no longer simple to
recreate that data.

3) Get a general discussion item about sponsors on the agenda at least
once per month.

- J<

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Brian Pepple 04-29-2008 11:37 PM

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On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 16:46 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> >>>>> "HdG" == Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl> writes:
>
> HdG> I would like to suggest to FESco to put talking about possible
> HdG> sponsor candidates every meeting (in a closed fashion, openness
> HdG> is good, but talking about people skills or lake thereof in
> HdG> public is asking for trouble).

<snip>
> Unfortunately the community isn't stepping up with
> nominations, and the discussion will be pretty short unless that
> changes.

+1. The last time we received nominations was back in Jan/Feb when we
voted on making Manuel Wolfshant, Ruben Kerkhof, Bill Nottingham, and
Christopher Aillon sponsors.

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Josh Boyer 04-30-2008 11:41 AM

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On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 22:07 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Christopher Aillon wrote:
> > On 04/29/2008 06:11 AM, Joe Orton wrote:
> >> Hi, Elio Maldonado Batiz has been diligently hacking away at
> >> converting the crypto-utils package to use NSS instead of OpenSSL, see
> >> bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=346731.
> >>
> >> This is a big chunk of work and is now ready to commit; I don't
> >> particularly want to play gatekeeper for this, could someone sponsor
> >> Elio to join the cvsextras group? Elio's username is emaldonado.
> >
> > Joe, I think this is a great time to point out that you too can become a
> > sponsor and be able to help with new contributors. It is rather unfair
> > to ask people here to do so since being a sponsor requires a certain
> > level of commitment to helping the sponsoree with problems they may
> > encounter. It seems that you are willing to do that for Elio, and
> > should be his sponsor.
> >
>
> Which is pointing out one very big sore point in Fedora after the merge between
> core and extras, very little people seem to have been appointed sponsor,
> certainly something where IMHO FESco is dropping the ball.

I realize that it's much easier to criticize a small body of people vs.
the whole Fedora community, but this is hardly FESCo's fault. We have a
standing item in the meeting to discuss and vote on sponsors. We
literally have not received any nominations in quite a while.

Just as FESCo can't arbitrate disputes it doesn't know about, it can't
approve sponsor nominations that don't exist.

josh

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Denis Leroy 04-30-2008 01:00 PM

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Josh Boyer wrote:

On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 22:07 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:

Christopher Aillon wrote:

On 04/29/2008 06:11 AM, Joe Orton wrote:
Hi, Elio Maldonado Batiz has been diligently hacking away at
converting the crypto-utils package to use NSS instead of OpenSSL, see
bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=346731.


This is a big chunk of work and is now ready to commit; I don't
particularly want to play gatekeeper for this, could someone sponsor
Elio to join the cvsextras group? Elio's username is emaldonado.
Joe, I think this is a great time to point out that you too can become a
sponsor and be able to help with new contributors. It is rather unfair
to ask people here to do so since being a sponsor requires a certain
level of commitment to helping the sponsoree with problems they may
encounter. It seems that you are willing to do that for Elio, and
should be his sponsor.


Which is pointing out one very big sore point in Fedora after the merge between
core and extras, very little people seem to have been appointed sponsor,
certainly something where IMHO FESco is dropping the ball.


I realize that it's much easier to criticize a small body of people vs.
the whole Fedora community, but this is hardly FESCo's fault. We have a
standing item in the meeting to discuss and vote on sponsors. We
literally have not received any nominations in quite a while.


here, I'll nominate myself.

-denis

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Brian Pepple 04-30-2008 02:02 PM

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On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 15:00 +0200, Denis Leroy wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > I realize that it's much easier to criticize a small body of people vs.
> > the whole Fedora community, but this is hardly FESCo's fault. We have a
> > standing item in the meeting to discuss and vote on sponsors. We
> > literally have not received any nominations in quite a while.
>
> here, I'll nominate myself.

Please add yourself to the wiki with the appropriate info, and I'll send
out your nomination to the list for discussion:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/NewSponsors

Later,
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Thorsten Leemhuis 04-30-2008 02:31 PM

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On 30.04.2008 13:41, Josh Boyer wrote:

On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 22:07 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:

> [...]
Which is pointing out one very big sore point in Fedora after the merge between
core and extras, very little people seem to have been appointed sponsor,
certainly something where IMHO FESco is dropping the ball.

I realize that it's much easier to criticize a small body of people vs.
the whole Fedora community, but this is hardly FESCo's fault.


Sorry to disagree, but it IMHO is completely FESCo's fault.


We have a
standing item in the meeting to discuss and vote on sponsors. We
literally have not received any nominations in quite a while.


Here is the difference between "I have a open ear for your problems;
just come and tell me about it" vs. "I'm looking after you all the time
and think I noticed you have some problems; should we try to solve them
together" again I mentioned in a mail to this list yesterday.


In the Extras days (at least those when I run the meetings) we
*actively* looked out for new sponsors all the time:


* we each meeting asked for new sponsor nominations (self-nominations
or nominations from other people) and thus everyone had to think about
it for a moment


* in the agenda we send out to the list there was the point "sponsor
(self-)nominations" quite often (not often enough) -- that way everyone
on the list got a reminder that they can nominate/self-nominate


* new sponsor-nominations were not a FESCO-only thing; we tried to
integrate the existing sponsors into the discussions and decisions, as
they are in the best position for it ()


FESCO doesn't do any of the above properly these days IMHO. Especially
the first two points are IMHO important and made sure people always got
reminded that they could self-nominate or nominate other people. Most of
the time in fact in were no self-nomination -- often people got
nominated by existing sponsors.


CU
knurd

() -- that could have worked a lot better, but it worked

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