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Old 04-27-2008, 02:51 PM
Nicolas Mailhot
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

Le dimanche 27 avril 2008 à 18:01 +0400, Peter Lemenkov a écrit :

> I can't fill bugzilla ticket because I just don't know exactly to what
> component this issue must be assigned - xorg-x11, some particular
> driver, some middleware layer as pango/gtk/qt/etc, maybe this is bug
> in freetype or somethere - I don't know.

BTW could you specify what xorg driver you use please? Someone posted a
mail on the xorg lists recently complaining the intel driver broke font
rendering

http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-April/034940.html

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Old 04-27-2008, 03:06 PM
Lubomir Kundrak
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 14:30 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
> Hello All!
> Since Fedora 9-Preview completely unuseable for me I decided to step
> back to F-8. Thus far I know abount the only solution - backing up
> /etc/ and /home directories and reinstalling F-8 but maybe there are
> some ways to downgrade to previous relese and updates.

I did a downgrade from Fedora 8 to RHEL-5 (FC6 fork). While it needed a
lot to be done manually (sorry I don't remember details, roughly it was
like:

rpm -q --qf '%{name}
' |xargs yumdownloader
rpm --force -Uvh *.rpm

I hope you can figure out what can get wrong, and hopefully F9 is not
that different from F8 as RHEL5 is from F8.

> Another one note - since FC-4 of FC-2 I never updated to next release
> w/o errors and things tends to be more worse than earlier. Looks like
> it's doe to lack of testing combined with lack of comminications
> within community (if such a community exists at all). Take a look at
> the fedora popularity trend compared with other distros popularities.

Feel free to grab testing release and test as much as you wish.

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Old 04-27-2008, 03:15 PM
Lubomir Kundrak
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 18:01 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
> 2008/4/27 Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl>:
> > Peter Lemenkov wrote:

> I can't fill bugzilla ticket because I just don't know exactly to what
> component this issue must be assigned - xorg-x11, some particular
> driver, some middleware layer as pango/gtk/qt/etc, maybe this is bug
> in freetype or somethere - I don't know.
>
> I can't submit this bug for a list of possible components - I need to
> choose something (and probably I will make a wrong choose since I'm
> not a specialist in X.org architecture)
>
> This is a issue with a communication part - I can't describe my
> problem with a more freeform text than bugzilla permits (only one
> version of distro, only one particular component, only maintainer(s)
> of current one component). On the other hand bugzilla, this Monster
> from the 90ies provides us many completely useless (for simple users,
> Average Joe as me, for example) combinations of
> Priority/Severity/Status and Resolution. I think that must be only two
> of them - opened/closed...
>
> Summarizing things - I shouting that bugzilla in no way a suitable
> solution for filling bugs for users then they are don't know anything
> about internals of issue. More to say - they must look at the Bugzilla
> as a Labyrinth designed for hiding the solutions within.

Bugzilla does not require you to know to know that much. When it comes
to components, you don't need to know. Last time I checked it read: "If
necessary, just guess".

And when comes to version of the distro, you can easily determine it by
clicking "System" and choosing "About fedora". I also believe the
version number is visible somewhere during the boot.

For other field that bother you, such as "Priority" or "Severity" my
advice for you is: Don't be bothered by them if you don't know what they
do. Do not touch them.

> Fedora tends to be overbloated. More and more dependencies are coming.
> For example - my bluetooth mouse need a half part of samba to work -
> can you imagine that?

Hm I am wondering why gvfs depends on 50M samba-common. Maybe the samba
dependent part could be made into a subpackage?

Could you please file a bug report? It would be a nice exercise of
filing tickets in Bugzilla, you can utilize the hints from above )

> Funny but I more and more time spending working in Mac environment
> (because of the Fedora issues). One note - Safari complains about
> bugzilla's query pages (looks like nobody tested them in Safari)

Noone has to use Safari. In fact, it is usually a pretty bad idea to do
so. However it might be nice to have it working there...

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Old 04-27-2008, 03:16 PM
Eric Sandeen
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

Peter Lemenkov wrote:
> 2008/4/27 Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl>:
>> Peter Lemenkov wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All!
>>> Since Fedora 9-Preview completely unuseable for me
>
>
>> Thats very bad news! Why is it unusable for you, can you give please a list
>> of issues and bugzilla numbers for those?
>
> The first thing I want to talk about is hardlycorrupted fonts in every
> (from 2 - Psi and Firefox) of GUI applications. See screenshots:
>
> http://peter.fedorapeople.org/bad_fonts.png
> http://peter.fedorapeople.org/bad_fonts2.png
> http://peter.fedorapeople.org/bad_fonts3.png
> http://peter.fedorapeople.org/bad_fonts_psi.png
>
> I can't fill bugzilla ticket because I just don't know exactly to what
> component this issue must be assigned - xorg-x11, some particular
> driver, some middleware layer as pango/gtk/qt/etc, maybe this is bug
> in freetype or somethere - I don't know.

If you'd like to file a bug I'd suggest just making your best guess, and
say in the bug that it is a guess, and ask for it to be reassigned if
appropriate. Or maybe ask on this list where it should be filed? (I
don't know either...)

Hopefully better to at least get the issue filed *somewhere* ...

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Old 04-27-2008, 07:55 PM
Andrew Farris
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

Lubomir Kundrak wrote:

On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 18:01 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote:

Funny but I more and more time spending working in Mac environment
(because of the Fedora issues). One note - Safari complains about
bugzilla's query pages (looks like nobody tested them in Safari)


Noone has to use Safari. In fact, it is usually a pretty bad idea to do
so. However it might be nice to have it working there...


I use safari fairly regularly for comparisons with firefox, including the
bugzilla query page. I just deliberately checked it and I have no idea what is
supposedly wrong with it; it works fine and generates no scripting errors.


I'd be interested to know what the problem is, but it definitely is not
something everyone is seeing.


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Old 04-27-2008, 09:08 PM
Eric Sandeen
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

Andrew Farris wrote:
> Lubomir Kundrak wrote:
>> On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 18:01 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
>>> Funny but I more and more time spending working in Mac environment
>>> (because of the Fedora issues). One note - Safari complains about
>>> bugzilla's query pages (looks like nobody tested them in Safari)
>> Noone has to use Safari. In fact, it is usually a pretty bad idea to do
>> so. However it might be nice to have it working there...
>
> I use safari fairly regularly for comparisons with firefox, including the
> bugzilla query page. I just deliberately checked it and I have no idea what is
> supposedly wrong with it; it works fine and generates no scripting errors.
>
> I'd be interested to know what the problem is, but it definitely is not
> something everyone is seeing.
>

I tried it; I get "this script is taking too long" errors....

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Old 04-27-2008, 09:20 PM
Andrew Farris
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

Eric Sandeen wrote:

Andrew Farris wrote:

Lubomir Kundrak wrote:

On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 18:01 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote:

Funny but I more and more time spending working in Mac environment
(because of the Fedora issues). One note - Safari complains about
bugzilla's query pages (looks like nobody tested them in Safari)

Noone has to use Safari. In fact, it is usually a pretty bad idea to do
so. However it might be nice to have it working there...
I use safari fairly regularly for comparisons with firefox, including the
bugzilla query page. I just deliberately checked it and I have no idea what is
supposedly wrong with it; it works fine and generates no scripting errors.


I'd be interested to know what the problem is, but it definitely is not
something everyone is seeing.




I tried it; I get "this script is taking too long" errors....


Thats most likely a similar issue to FF3 + ally causing a huge delay in
displaying the select box of components. I do not see that happen on my Macbook
(the list displays in about 8 seconds), but on a slower machine it probably
would be a problem.


Does the second select box on this page (the first 'run test' link) take a long
time to display or cause those errors in Safari as well?


http://lordmorgul.net/pub/fedora/testing/ff3-bug431162.php?c=6000

The large number of components in the Fedora list is a problem for browsers
generating the widgets, but it may be that some components need to be grouped up
in the future if Fedora keeps expanding the package space (a good thing!).


The FF3 bug should be resolved though I've seen it still be kinda slow at times:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431162

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Old 04-27-2008, 09:53 PM
Eric Sandeen
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

Andrew Farris wrote:

> Does the second select box on this page (the first 'run test' link) take a long
> time to display or cause those errors in Safari as well?
>
> http://lordmorgul.net/pub/fedora/testing/ff3-bug431162.php?c=6000

Nope, worked for me w/o safari complaining.

Though I suppose we're getting off-topic

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Old 04-28-2008, 02:23 AM
"Bradley J. Longo"
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

I can't fill bugzilla ticket because I just don't know exactly to what
component this issue must be assigned - xorg-x11, some particular
driver, some middleware layer as pango/gtk/qt/etc, maybe this is bug
in freetype or somethere - I don't know.

I can't submit this bug for a list of possible components - I need to
choose something (and probably I will make a wrong choose since I'm
not a specialist in X.org architecture)

This is a issue with a communication part - I can't describe my
problem with a more freeform text than bugzilla permits (only one
version of distro, only one particular component, only maintainer(s)
of current one component). On the other hand bugzilla, this Monster
from the 90ies provides us many completely useless (for simple users,
Average Joe as me, for example) combinations of
Priority/Severity/Status and Resolution. I think that must be only two
of them - opened/closed...


If you are having issues and consider yourself to just to be the average
user perhaps you should not be so eager to call Fedora 9 completely
unusable before it has even been released. I agree with you that filing
bugs may be complicated, but it is really not that hard. Just get the
bug filed somewhere in there if you do not know where it goes and some
one will put it in the right place eventually. All you have to really
put into bugzilla is the best description you have for your problem, and
some one will tell you how to get the information they are looking for.


Brad

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Old 04-28-2008, 02:38 AM
Christopher Aillon
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

On 04/27/2008 10:01 AM, Peter Lemenkov wrote:

Summarizing things - I shouting that bugzilla in no way a suitable
solution for filling bugs for users then they are don't know anything
about internals of issue. More to say - they must look at the Bugzilla
as a Labyrinth designed for hiding the solutions within.


This will not help your current situation, but if you consider yourself
a user that is unable to handle the case where things break, I'd suggest
trying a LiveCD next time. It let's you try the distro _before_ you
install. If things don't work, simply don't install it (and file bugs
if you can). If the LiveCD works fine, there is an option to install to
the harddrive.


Hope others can help resolve your issues.

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