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Old 04-27-2008, 10:30 AM
"Peter Lemenkov"
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

Hello All!
Since Fedora 9-Preview completely unuseable for me I decided to step
back to F-8. Thus far I know abount the only solution - backing up
/etc/ and /home directories and reinstalling F-8 but maybe there are
some ways to downgrade to previous relese and updates.

Another one note - since FC-4 of FC-2 I never updated to next release
w/o errors and things tends to be more worse than earlier. Looks like
it's doe to lack of testing combined with lack of comminications
within community (if such a community exists at all). Take a look at
the fedora popularity trend compared with other distros popularities.

Current mood is "frustrating".

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Old 04-27-2008, 10:46 AM
Hans de Goede
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

Peter Lemenkov wrote:

Hello All!
Since Fedora 9-Preview completely unuseable for me


Thats very bad news! Why is it unusable for you, can you give please a list of
issues and bugzilla numbers for those?


F-9 preview is working quite nicely for me, I had 2 major issues, but after
going into bugfixing mode myself for a day and then being on the hide of the
maintainers to put my patches in before F-9 has resolvedthose 2 issues.


Regards,

Hans

p.s.

About downgrading, I think backing up /etc/ and /home (you should really put
/home on a separate partition) and then doing a clean install is best. Or you
could spend the same time trying to resolve those F-9 issues, helping the
community and Fedora in general in the process.


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Old 04-27-2008, 02:01 PM
"Peter Lemenkov"
 
Default How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

2008/4/27 Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl>:
> Peter Lemenkov wrote:
>
> > Hello All!
> > Since Fedora 9-Preview completely unuseable for me


> Thats very bad news! Why is it unusable for you, can you give please a list
> of issues and bugzilla numbers for those?

The first thing I want to talk about is hardlycorrupted fonts in every
(from 2 - Psi and Firefox) of GUI applications. See screenshots:

http://peter.fedorapeople.org/bad_fonts.png
http://peter.fedorapeople.org/bad_fonts2.png
http://peter.fedorapeople.org/bad_fonts3.png
http://peter.fedorapeople.org/bad_fonts_psi.png

I can't fill bugzilla ticket because I just don't know exactly to what
component this issue must be assigned - xorg-x11, some particular
driver, some middleware layer as pango/gtk/qt/etc, maybe this is bug
in freetype or somethere - I don't know.

I can't submit this bug for a list of possible components - I need to
choose something (and probably I will make a wrong choose since I'm
not a specialist in X.org architecture)

This is a issue with a communication part - I can't describe my
problem with a more freeform text than bugzilla permits (only one
version of distro, only one particular component, only maintainer(s)
of current one component). On the other hand bugzilla, this Monster
from the 90ies provides us many completely useless (for simple users,
Average Joe as me, for example) combinations of
Priority/Severity/Status and Resolution. I think that must be only two
of them - opened/closed...

Summarizing things - I shouting that bugzilla in no way a suitable
solution for filling bugs for users then they are don't know anything
about internals of issue. More to say - they must look at the Bugzilla
as a Labyrinth designed for hiding the solutions within.

> F-9 preview is working quite nicely for me, I had 2 major issues, but after
> going into bugfixing mode myself for a day and then being on the hide of the
> maintainers to put my patches in before F-9 has resolvedthose 2 issues.

Fedora tends to be overbloated. More and more dependencies are coming.
For example - my bluetooth mouse need a half part of samba to work -
can you imagine that?

auriga:~ petro$ ssh 192.168.1.67
Last login: Sun Apr 27 17:51:21 2008 from auriga
[petro@Sulaco ~]$ sudo yum remove samba*
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror
Setting up Remove Process
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
* fedora: ftp.chg.ru
* livna-development: mirror.atrpms.net
* updates: ftp.chg.ru
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package samba-common.ppc 0:3.2.0-1.pre2.8.fc9 set to be erased
---> Package samba-winbind.ppc 0:3.2.0-1.pre2.8.fc9 set to be erased
--> Processing Dependency: libwbclient.so.0 for package: libsmbclient
--> Running transaction check
---> Package libsmbclient.ppc 0:3.2.0-1.pre2.8.fc9 set to be erased
--> Processing Dependency: libsmbclient.so.0 for package: gvfs
--> Running transaction check
---> Package gvfs.ppc 0:0.2.3-11.fc9 set to be erased
--> Processing Dependency: gvfs >= 0.1.11-2 for package: bluez-gnome
--> Running transaction check
---> Package bluez-gnome.ppc 0:0.25-1.fc9 set to be erased
--> Processing Dependency: dbus-bluez-pin-helper for package: bluez-utils
--> Running transaction check
---> Package bluez-utils.ppc 0:3.30-2.fc9 set to be erased
--> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

================================================== ===========================
Package Arch Version Repository Size
================================================== ===========================
Removing:
samba-common ppc 3.2.0-1.pre2.8.fc9 installed 50 M
samba-winbind ppc 3.2.0-1.pre2.8.fc9 installed 9.1 M
Removing for dependencies:
bluez-gnome ppc 0.25-1.fc9 installed 624 k
bluez-utils ppc 3.30-2.fc9 installed 1.6 M
gvfs ppc 0.2.3-11.fc9 installed 4.1 M
libsmbclient ppc 3.2.0-1.pre2.8.fc9 installed 4.3 M

Transaction Summary
================================================== ===========================
Install 0 Package(s)
Update 0 Package(s)
Remove 6 Package(s)

Is this ok [y/N]:

No, this is not OK. Let's simply provide a fedora-9.rpm with
all-in-one inside - with tens of langpacks that can't be splitted into
their own packages from Firefox because maintainers against it w/o
reasons, with huge loads of pictures and icons that can't be removed
(hardest dependency!). With current idea of binary deltas we could
save bandwidth if this is an issue...

> About downgrading, I think backing up /etc/ and /home (you should really
> put /home on a separate partition) and then doing a clean install is best.
> Or you could spend the same time trying to resolve those F-9 issues, helping
> the community and Fedora in general in the process.

Yes, that's reasonable decision.

Funny but I more and more time spending working in Mac environment
(because of the Fedora issues). One note - Safari complains about
bugzilla's query pages (looks like nobody tested them in Safari)

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