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Old 06-20-2008, 04:03 PM
"Ray Rashif"
 
Default Orphaning my packages

It is best we keep emotion away from technical matters; there's no need for persuasion. I see this as a mail informing me of orphaned packages, that is all.
 
Old 06-20-2008, 07:25 PM
"Angel Velásquez"
 
Default Orphaning my packages

I think if someone want orphan packages or use another distro good, but we aren't interested, and probably Neil cancel his subscription on this list, so, maybe he is not reading this.

So, if he changed to Mandriva (come on dude, don't tell me that you don't find something in Arch that Mandriva has, maybe... ugly graphics?) good for him.


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On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister@gmail.com> wrote:


It is best we keep emotion away from technical matters; there's no need for persuasion. I see this as a mail informing me of orphaned packages, that is all.



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Old 06-23-2008, 09:16 AM
"Georg Grabler"
 
Default Orphaning my packages

I generally don't aggree with the "upstream" philosophy as well - or at least not to 100 %.

Bugs can (of course) be upstream bugs. As in other distributions, bugs SHOULD get fixed in arch. I'm not saying that the devs must fix bugs in the upstream distributions, but at least the bugs should be followed upstream, and if a patch is available fixing the problem - it should get fixed (patched) in arch as well.


Most of the problems in arch, like kernel performance regression problems with glx (bug #10328 in bugzilla.kernel.org, submitted in march - fixed in the 2.6.25.8 release which is 1 day old - 4 month at all) , gnome bugs, kio bugs in kde3, as well as many others have upstream fixes available. Due to the arch philosophy, they will never appear until they are available upstream. This saves a lot of time to the devs, of course. Thogh, waiting half a year for fixes can be annoying (or is annoying if they directly effect you).


The "don't use gnome" solution is NOT a solution at all. You get used to a desktop, used to a way of working and it's tools.You don't want to change desktop and play around if you want to get work done.


Since a long time, i recompile arch sources (in the same version as the one in the repos, including the revision number) with the according patches i personally need. That's not what it should be, and I had intentions to change to another system a quite long time ago - if i wouldn't need to change to BSD then, since Arch is the only linux I personally know with a BSD like RC style and /etc layout - which i like... and a quite good package management (i don't like rpm, and slacks tools - and don't know a similar .deb system), not saying I'd like to change to BSD (most likely causes troubles, at least as a C/C++ dev, I'm basically not a friend porting software i need or want to try. The better "community support" at least is available for linux.


Kind regards,
Georg

On 6/20/08, Angel Velásquez <angvp@archlinux.com.ve> wrote:
I think if someone want orphan packages or use another distro good, but we aren't interested, and probably Neil cancel his subscription on this list, so, maybe he is not reading this.

So, if he changed to Mandriva (come on dude, don't tell me that you don't find something in Arch that Mandriva has, maybe... ugly graphics?) good for him.



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On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister@gmail.com> wrote:



It is best we keep emotion away from technical matters; there's no need for persuasion. I see this as a mail informing me of orphaned packages, that is all.



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Old 06-23-2008, 03:09 PM
"Roman Kyrylych"
 
Default Orphaning my packages

2008/6/23 Georg Grabler <ggrabler@gmail.com>:
> I generally don't aggree with the "upstream" philosophy as well - or at
> least not to 100 %.
>
> Bugs can (of course) be upstream bugs. As in other distributions, bugs
> SHOULD get fixed in arch. I'm not saying that the devs must fix bugs in the
> upstream distributions, but at least the bugs should be followed upstream,
> and if a patch is available fixing the problem - it should get fixed
> (patched) in arch as well.
>
> Most of the problems in arch, like kernel performance regression problems
> with glx (bug #10328 in bugzilla.kernel.org, submitted in march - fixed in
> the 2.6.25.8 release which is 1 day old - 4 month at all) , gnome bugs, kio
> bugs in kde3, as well as many others have upstream fixes available. Due to
> the arch philosophy, they will never appear until they are available
> upstream. This saves a lot of time to the devs, of course. Thogh, waiting
> half a year for fixes can be annoying (or is annoying if they directly
> effect you).

We _do_ apply _some_ patches from upstream when necessary, without
waiting for next upstream release.
However, we do not apply patches that are not critical for software to function.


P.S.: /me wishes this thread won't turn into another "patched vs.
vanilla" discussion
(Trying to be vanilla doesn't mean Arch prohibits any patching at all,
and applying some patches doesn't mean Arch is becoming like
Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/etc.)

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Old 09-16-2008, 03:40 PM
Alain PORTAL
 
Default Orphaning my packages

Hi,

As said some days ago, I want to release ownership of my packages:

fcron -- A task scheduler
kbackup -- Back up your data in a simple, user friendly way
kicad -- Electronic schematic diagrams and printed circuit board artwork
man-pages-fr -- French version of the Linux man-pages
pikdev -- IDE for development of PICmicro based application (under Linux/KDE)
piklab -- Development environment for applications based on PIC & dsPIC
microcontrollers
pikloops -- Code generator for PIC delays
tetex-eurofont -- Provides a command that prints a euro symbol
utrac -- Universal Text Recognizer and Converter

Any takers?

Regards,
Alain
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Old 09-16-2008, 03:46 PM
Patrice Dumas
 
Default Orphaning my packages

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 05:40:00PM +0200, Alain PORTAL wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As said some days ago, I want to release ownership of my packages:
>
> fcron -- A task scheduler

I can take fcron. But it would be better if I were only co-maintainer.

> man-pages-fr -- French version of the Linux man-pages

Likewise if nobody wants it.

> tetex-eurofont -- Provides a command that prints a euro symbol

Isn't that package in texlive?

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Old 09-16-2008, 03:46 PM
"Jon Ciesla"
 
Default Orphaning my packages

> Hi,
>
> As said some days ago, I want to release ownership of my packages:
>
> fcron -- A task scheduler
> kbackup -- Back up your data in a simple, user friendly way
> kicad -- Electronic schematic diagrams and printed circuit board artwork
> man-pages-fr -- French version of the Linux man-pages
> pikdev -- IDE for development of PICmicro based application (under
> Linux/KDE)
> piklab -- Development environment for applications based on PIC & dsPIC
> microcontrollers
> pikloops -- Code generator for PIC delays
> tetex-eurofont -- Provides a command that prints a euro symbol
> utrac -- Universal Text Recognizer and Converter
>
> Any takers?

Will take kicad and utrac, if no one objects.

> Regards,
> Alain
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Old 09-16-2008, 03:51 PM
"Tom "spot" Callaway"
 
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On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 17:46 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote:
> > tetex-eurofont -- Provides a command that prints a euro symbol
>
> Isn't that package in texlive?

Probably. Anyways, I had to kill it in rawhide for licensing reasons. I
haven't pulled it out of texlive yet because the maintainer finally
replied to me and is considering relicensing to LPPL.

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Old 09-16-2008, 03:52 PM
Kevin Kofler
 
Default Orphaning my packages

Alain PORTAL <alain.portal <at> free.fr> writes:
> tetex-eurofont -- Provides a command that prints a euro symbol

This one has been removed from Rawhide because it includes non-Free TTF fonts.
So it's probably not worth picking it up, it should just be EOLed.

Kevin Kofler

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Old 09-16-2008, 04:12 PM
Alain PORTAL
 
Default Orphaning my packages

Le mardi 16 septembre 2008, Patrice Dumas a écrit :
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 05:40:00PM +0200, Alain PORTAL wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As said some days ago, I want to release ownership of my packages:
> >
> > fcron -- A task scheduler
>
> I can take fcron. But it would be better if I were only co-maintainer.

Released.
There is an open bug since 14 months for this package:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246922
There is a new version also:
http://fcron.free.fr/download.php

> > man-pages-fr -- French version of the Linux man-pages
>
> Likewise if nobody wants it.

Released

> > tetex-eurofont -- Provides a command that prints a euro symbol
>
> Isn't that package in texlive?

I don't know.

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