As discussed in #fedora-meeting, I'm starting a discussion on the
mailing list about this topic.
To get functional pulseaudio support for legacy i386 apps in x86_64
(and perhaps ppc apps on ppc64?), the following packages need to be
added to the x86_64 repo:
(please add any package I've inadvertently omitted here)
Affected packages:
- Real Player (there are experimental 64-bit builds but as far as I
can tell they are not that usable yet)
- Crossover Office (Crossover-handled apps works fine if they preload
padsp, but this needs both packages above to work. This seems to be
broken on KDE4 -- not sure how KDE4 and Pulseaudio interacts. Anyone
from the KDE SIG knows more?)
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04-10-2008, 07:44 PM
Rex Dieter
Pulseaudio i386 support in x86_64 is incomplete
Michel Salim wrote:
> - Crossover Office (Crossover-handled apps works fine if they preload
> padsp, but this needs both packages above to work. This seems to be
> broken on KDE4 -- not sure how KDE4 and Pulseaudio interacts. Anyone
> from the KDE SIG knows more?)
KDE4 simply autostarts pulseaudio daemon, and uses xine-lib-pulseaudio
plugin (primarily), and alsa->alsa-plugins-pulseaudio for legacy (arts
mostly) access.
So, could you define what "broken on KDE4" means here exactly?
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04-10-2008, 08:10 PM
"Michel Salim"
Pulseaudio i386 support in x86_64 is incomplete
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter@math.unl.edu> wrote:
> Michel Salim wrote:
>
> > - Crossover Office (Crossover-handled apps works fine if they preload
> > padsp, but this needs both packages above to work. This seems to be
> > broken on KDE4 -- not sure how KDE4 and Pulseaudio interacts. Anyone
> > from the KDE SIG knows more?)
>
> KDE4 simply autostarts pulseaudio daemon, and uses xine-lib-pulseaudio
> plugin (primarily), and alsa->alsa-plugins-pulseaudio for legacy (arts
> mostly) access.
>
> So, could you define what "broken on KDE4" means here exactly?
>
With the same configuration (telling Crossover to use ESD for sound
output, and preloading libpulsedsp.so), sound works under GNOME but
not under KDE4.
Will retest and see if things have changed.
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04-11-2008, 11:56 AM
"Rudolf Kastl"
Pulseaudio i386 support in x86_64 is incomplete
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Michel Salim <michel.sylvan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter@math.unl.edu> wrote:
> > Michel Salim wrote:
> >
> > > - Crossover Office (Crossover-handled apps works fine if they preload
> > > padsp, but this needs both packages above to work. This seems to be
> > > broken on KDE4 -- not sure how KDE4 and Pulseaudio interacts. Anyone
> > > from the KDE SIG knows more?)
you forgot regular wine. the result of building wine for 64 bit
natively will not handle 32 bit windows binaries because it of course
needs a 32 bit build for that. the 64 bit build of wine will have to
be parallel installable to the 32bit one to gain the full
functionality.
kind regards,
Rudolf Kastl
> >
> > KDE4 simply autostarts pulseaudio daemon, and uses xine-lib-pulseaudio
> > plugin (primarily), and alsa->alsa-plugins-pulseaudio for legacy (arts
> > mostly) access.
> >
> > So, could you define what "broken on KDE4" means here exactly?
> >
> With the same configuration (telling Crossover to use ESD for sound
> output, and preloading libpulsedsp.so), sound works under GNOME but
> not under KDE4.
>
> Will retest and see if things have changed.
>
>
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04-11-2008, 02:17 PM
Rex Dieter
Pulseaudio i386 support in x86_64 is incomplete
Michel Salim wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter@math.unl.edu> wrote:
>> Michel Salim wrote:
>>
>> > - Crossover Office (Crossover-handled apps works fine if they preload
>> > padsp, but this needs both packages above to work. This seems to be
>> > broken on KDE4 -- not sure how KDE4 and Pulseaudio interacts. Anyone
>> > from the KDE SIG knows more?)
>>
>> KDE4 simply autostarts pulseaudio daemon, and uses xine-lib-pulseaudio
>> plugin (primarily), and alsa->alsa-plugins-pulseaudio for legacy (arts
>> mostly) access.
>>
>> So, could you define what "broken on KDE4" means here exactly?
>>
> With the same configuration (telling Crossover to use ESD for sound
> output, and preloading libpulsedsp.so), sound works under GNOME but
> not under KDE4.
Not surprising, could very well be that our manual launch of pulseaudio is
incompatible with PA's esd emulation.
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04-11-2008, 06:02 PM
Kevin Kofler
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Rex Dieter <rdieter <at> math.unl.edu> writes:
> Not surprising, could very well be that our manual launch of pulseaudio is
> incompatible with PA's esd emulation.
I don't think so, it works fine on F8 in any case.
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04-14-2008, 05:05 AM
"Michel Salim"
Pulseaudio i386 support in x86_64 is incomplete
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@chello.at> wrote:
> Rex Dieter <rdieter <at> math.unl.edu> writes:
> > Not surprising, could very well be that our manual launch of pulseaudio is
> > incompatible with PA's esd emulation.
>
> I don't think so, it works fine on F8 in any case.
>
In any case, the potential KDE problem is a red-herring. We need the
following packages whitelisted for better 32-bit compatibility:
In fact, with Wine, it's questionable whether it's useful to have the
64-bit Wine package, unless both are parallel-installable. How many
applications are out there with available source that links against
wine-lib, and is 64-bit clean?
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04-14-2008, 07:14 AM
drago01
Pulseaudio i386 support in x86_64 is incomplete
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Michel Salim <michel.sylvan@gmail.com> wrote:
> In fact, with Wine, it's questionable whether it's useful to have the
> 64-bit Wine package
we don't have one
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04-14-2008, 10:37 AM
"Rudolf Kastl"
Pulseaudio i386 support in x86_64 is incomplete
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:14 AM, drago01 <drago01@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Michel Salim <michel.sylvan@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In fact, with Wine, it's questionable whether it's useful to have the
> > 64-bit Wine package
> we don't have one
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