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Old 04-04-2008, 09:26 AM
Adam Tkac
 
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Hi,

this morning I checked my mailbox and there were many messages from
bugzilla. But after inspection nothing interesting was there, only
bogus from some stupid bot. I'm not sure what is main purpose for that
bot but I think when some bug is open for long time maintainer is
responsible for closing and if he didn't close it it means that is
still exist. Now after this "feature" I have to waste with my time and
move all bugs from NEEDINFO state to ASSIGNED because they are
features and I haven't got time for them yet or they are low-priority
bugs. I think this bot should be removed as soon as possible before he
creates chaos in bugzilla. Or at least add component list whose bugzillas
should not be touched. I'm going to be the first person whose packages
will be on that list.

Regards, Adam

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Old 04-04-2008, 09:37 AM
Marcela Maslanova
 
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Adam Tkac wrote:

Hi,

this morning I checked my mailbox and there were many messages from
bugzilla. But after inspection nothing interesting was there, only
bogus from some stupid bot. I'm not sure what is main purpose for that
bot but I think when some bug is open for long time maintainer is
responsible for closing and if he didn't close it it means that is
still exist. Now after this "feature" I have to waste with my time and
move all bugs from NEEDINFO state to ASSIGNED because they are
features and I haven't got time for them yet or they are low-priority
bugs. I think this bot should be removed as soon as possible before he
creates chaos in bugzilla. Or at least add component list whose bugzillas
should not be touched. I'm going to be the first person whose packages
will be on that list.

Regards, Adam



+1
Changing state of bug on needinfo in rawhide is the worst thing. I moved
them into rawhide because I'll fix them once. If you must then change
them only for Fedora 6 or older.


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Old 04-04-2008, 09:49 AM
Rahul Sundaram
 
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Adam Tkac wrote:

Hi,

this morning I checked my mailbox and there were many messages from
bugzilla. But after inspection nothing interesting was there, only
bogus from some stupid bot. I'm not sure what is main purpose for that
bot but I think when some bug is open for long time maintainer is
responsible for closing and if he didn't close it it means that is
still exist.


Ideally but that isn't how it works in practice. There are a number of
forgotten bugs that is not applicable anymore and bug triage is meant to
deal with that.


There has been a number of announcements and discussions regarding this

Rahul

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Old 04-04-2008, 10:29 AM
Matej Cepl
 
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On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:19:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram scripst:
> Ideally but that isn't how it works in practice. There are a number of
> forgotten bugs that is not applicable anymore and bug triage is meant to
> deal with that.
>
> There has been a number of announcements and discussions regarding this

Yes, but one of the conclusions of this was that bugs in Rawhide should be
treated separately and differently from bugs in released Fedoras. Which
apparently didn't happen this time.

Matej

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Old 04-04-2008, 11:26 AM
Hans de Goede
 
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Rex Dieter wrote:

Adam Tkac wrote:


this morning I checked my mailbox and there were many messages from
bugzilla. But after inspection nothing interesting was there, only
bogus from some stupid bot.


I, for one, welcome and appreciate the efforts being made here to clean out
and triage old bugs.


+1

Regards,

Hans


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Old 04-04-2008, 11:32 AM
Rex Dieter
 
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Adam Tkac wrote:

> this morning I checked my mailbox and there were many messages from
> bugzilla. But after inspection nothing interesting was there, only
> bogus from some stupid bot.

I, for one, welcome and appreciate the efforts being made here to clean out
and triage old bugs.

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Old 04-04-2008, 11:45 AM
Adam Tkac
 
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On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 06:32:28AM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Adam Tkac wrote:
>
> > this morning I checked my mailbox and there were many messages from
> > bugzilla. But after inspection nothing interesting was there, only
> > bogus from some stupid bot.
>
> I, for one, welcome and appreciate the efforts being made here to clean out
> and triage old bugs.
>

Yes, for example for desktop application whose have huge amount of bugs this
thing is good (your case I think). But on the other hand for server components
is this bad because every bug needs maintainer inspection and 99% bugs should
not be closed and have to be patched - this is my case.

Adam

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Old 04-04-2008, 03:43 PM
Jon Masters
 
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On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 11:26 +0200, Adam Tkac wrote:

> this morning I checked my mailbox and there were many messages from
> bugzilla. But after inspection nothing interesting was there, only
> bogus from some stupid bot.

Oh, I thought it was awesome branding saying "Fedora apologizes"

Jon.


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Old 04-08-2008, 03:45 AM
John Poelstra
 
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Adam Tkac said the following on 04/04/2008 02:26 AM Pacific Time:
> Hi,
>
> this morning I checked my mailbox and there were many messages from
> bugzilla. But after inspection nothing interesting was there, only
> bogus from some stupid bot. I'm not sure what is main purpose for that
> bot but I think when some bug is open for long time maintainer is
> responsible for closing and if he didn't close it it means that is
> still exist. Now after this "feature" I have to waste with my time and
> move all bugs from NEEDINFO state to ASSIGNED because they are
> features and I haven't got time for them yet or they are low-priority
> bugs. I think this bot should be removed as soon as possible before he
> creates chaos in bugzilla. Or at least add component list whose bugzillas
> should not be touched. I'm going to be the first person whose packages
> will be on that list.
>

Did you have 'RFE' in the subject or the FutureFeature keyword set?
Going forward we will key solely off of FutureFeature keyword. We made
every effort to exclude them from the rawhide bugs selected.


The process underway is outlined here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/F9CleanUp

Did you see or respond to any of the announcements requesting feedback?
If not, what would be a better way to do this in the future?


Thanks,
John

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Old 04-08-2008, 03:48 AM
John Poelstra
 
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Matej Cepl said the following on 04/04/2008 03:29 AM Pacific Time:

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:19:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram scripst:

Ideally but that isn't how it works in practice. There are a number of
forgotten bugs that is not applicable anymore and bug triage is meant to
deal with that.

There has been a number of announcements and discussions regarding this


Yes, but one of the conclusions of this was that bugs in Rawhide should be
treated separately and differently from bugs in released Fedoras. Which
apparently didn't happen this time.


Matej



They were treated differently as outlined in the proposal. What part
didn't match your expectations?


John

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