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Old 08-27-2011, 05:14 PM
drago01
 
Default Memory requirements (was: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Richard W.M. Jones <rjones@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 06:47:37PM -0500, David Lehman wrote:
>> On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 23:13 -0700, alan@clueserver.org wrote:
>> > I have tried installing Fedora 16 alpha (i386 version) on VMWare player
>> > and it dies starting up the installer.
>> >
>> > It also dies trying to install on my CTL 2GO pad. (Atom based tablet.)
>>
>> Same type of death as the vmware?
>>
>> >
>> > Any ideas why?
>>
>> If you have less than 768M of memory you could have problems unpacking
>> the initrd and/or starting the installer.
>
> 768 MB!!!
>
> When I want to stuff as many VMs onto a virtual machine as possible,
> RAM usage really matters. *Particularly since RAM is currently cheap
> up to about 8 GB but becomes much more expensive above that

OT: This does not seem to be the case ... I can buy 24GB for almost
the same amount (~120€) I bought 6GB 3 years ago ...
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Old 08-29-2011, 07:55 PM
"Brian C. Lane"
 
Default Memory requirements (was: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 04:15:37PM -0700, alan@clueserver.org wrote:
>
> In both cases I had 2 gigs of ram. Should not be a memory issue.

That is more than enough. Please file a bug(s) and include the logs
from /tmp/*log

Memory usage during install also depends on what the packages being
installed do in their pre/post scripts. selinux is a big example of
this, causing a large spike as it is installed.

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Old 08-29-2011, 08:02 PM
drago01
 
Default Memory requirements (was: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Brian C. Lane <bcl@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 04:15:37PM -0700, alan@clueserver.org wrote:
>>
>> In both cases I had 2 gigs of ram. Should not be a memory issue.
>
> That is more than enough. Please file a bug(s) and include the logs
> from /tmp/*log
>
> Memory usage during install also depends on what the packages being
> installed do in their pre/post scripts. selinux is a big example of
> this, causing a large spike as it is installed.

"SELinux Enhancements. SELinux policy package now includes a pre-built
policy that will only rebuild policy if any customizations have been
made. A sample test run shows 4 times speedup on installing the
package from 48 Seconds to 12 Seconds and max memory usage from 38M to
6M. In addition to that," [1]


1: http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/45414.html
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Old 08-30-2011, 04:15 AM
Adam Williamson
 
Default Memory requirements (was: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)

On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 22:02 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Brian C. Lane <bcl@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 04:15:37PM -0700, alan@clueserver.org wrote:
> >>
> >> In both cases I had 2 gigs of ram. Should not be a memory issue.
> >
> > That is more than enough. Please file a bug(s) and include the logs
> > from /tmp/*log
> >
> > Memory usage during install also depends on what the packages being
> > installed do in their pre/post scripts. selinux is a big example of
> > this, causing a large spike as it is installed.
>
> "SELinux Enhancements. SELinux policy package now includes a pre-built
> policy that will only rebuild policy if any customizations have been
> made. A sample test run shows 4 times speedup on installing the
> package from 48 Seconds to 12 Seconds and max memory usage from 38M to
> 6M. In addition to that," [1]
>
>
> 1: http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/45414.html

Yes. The reason why that work has been done is because everyone kicked
up a stink about anaconda using too much memory, so the anaconda team
looked closer into what was taking up so much memory, found out selinux
policy installation caused quite a significant chunk of it, and told Dan
about it. None of this is news to anyone actually involved in the
relevant development teams =)

this topic has really been done to death on this list and many others.
anaconda team is aware of the memory use issue and is working on fixing
it. this selinux change is one of the fixes.
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Old 08-31-2011, 04:11 AM
Jeremiah Summers
 
Default Memory requirements (was: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 22:02 +0200, drago01 wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Brian C. Lane <bcl@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 04:15:37PM -0700, alan@clueserver.org wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In both cases I had 2 gigs of ram. Should not be a memory issue.
>> >
>> > That is more than enough. Please file a bug(s) and include the logs
>> > from /tmp/*log
>> >
>> > Memory usage during install also depends on what the packages being
>> > installed do in their pre/post scripts. selinux is a big example of
>> > this, causing a large spike as it is installed.
>>
>> "SELinux Enhancements. SELinux policy package now includes a pre-built
>> policy that will only rebuild policy if any customizations have been
>> made. A sample test run shows 4 times speedup on installing the
>> package from 48 Seconds to 12 Seconds and max memory usage from 38M to
>> 6M. In addition to that," [1]
>>
>>
>> 1: http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/45414.html
>
> Yes. The reason why that work has been done is because everyone kicked
> up a stink about anaconda using too much memory, so the anaconda team
> looked closer into what was taking up so much memory, found out selinux
> policy installation caused quite a significant chunk of it, and told Dan
> about it. None of this is news to anyone actually involved in the
> relevant development teams =)
>
> this topic has really been done to death on this list and many others.
> anaconda team is aware of the memory use issue and is working on fixing
> it. this selinux change is one of the fixes.
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I would say thank you but the tone I'm getting in the email seems
rather reluctant to try and be as memory efficient as possible, a
little bit like "we just did it to stop your whining". I'm sure that's
not the tone you mean and even if so I'm sure you're not talking "for"
the anaconda team. So regardless.. Thank You all who have beaten this
thing to death and those who won't let it die until it's as efficient
as possible with the hardware given.
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Old 08-31-2011, 04:26 AM
Adam Williamson
 
Default Memory requirements (was: Fedora 16 Alpha i386 does not install in VMWare)

On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 21:11 -0700, Jeremiah Summers wrote:

> I would say thank you but the tone I'm getting in the email seems
> rather reluctant to try and be as memory efficient as possible, a
> little bit like "we just did it to stop your whining". I'm sure that's
> not the tone you mean and even if so I'm sure you're not talking "for"
> the anaconda team.

Yes, both of those are true. I just get a bit irked that the issue keeps
getting raised as if it's some stunning new discovery and the anaconda
team has been hideously lax in not caring about it, because it's
well-known and they _do_ care about it. =)

> So regardless.. Thank You all who have beaten this
> thing to death and those who won't let it die until it's as efficient
> as possible with the hardware given.

seconded!
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