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Old 07-27-2011, 06:01 AM
"Jason L Tibbitts III"
 
Default Starting a SIG for package reviews

For a while now I've wanted to get some sort of package review SIG
going. The package review process hasn't really evolved much since it
was instituted way back when, and now it (and the portion of the
sponsorship process it overlaps) has become a major bottleneck in one of
the main ways of getting new contributors into the project.

I'm (once again*) looking for a few good volunteers to get the SIG off
the ground. In the past every discussion about starting this SIG has
sidetracked off into grand discussion about tools that can take care of
the process, but at the start I'd like to focus on organization. How
many people can we muster? Do we need to have some sort of regular IRC
meetings? How can we best attack the ever-growing review queue?

Once we have some basic things figured out and reasonable-sized group of
people involved, we can move on to the big issues of policies,
modifications to the process, working with FESCo and, yes, tools.

So, if you want to help out, feel free to reply. Add yourself to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Package_Review#Members if you like.
If you have ideas, add them to the brainstorming section there as well.


*) Yes, I've tried to do this before, a good three years ago. It didn't
get off the ground then, but it's never too late to try again and the
need for this SIG is, I think, more pressing now than it's ever been.

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Old 07-27-2011, 11:33 AM
Thomas Spura
 
Default Starting a SIG for package reviews

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 01:01:36 -0500
Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

> For a while now I've wanted to get some sort of package review SIG
> going. The package review process hasn't really evolved much since it
> was instituted way back when, and now it (and the portion of the
> sponsorship process it overlaps) has become a major bottleneck in one
> of the main ways of getting new contributors into the project.
>
> I'm (once again*) looking for a few good volunteers to get the SIG off
> the ground. In the past every discussion about starting this SIG has
> sidetracked off into grand discussion about tools that can take care
> of the process, but at the start I'd like to focus on organization.
> How many people can we muster? Do we need to have some sort of
> regular IRC meetings? How can we best attack the ever-growing review
> queue?

Hi Jason,

I'm interested in such a SIG, but have a lot to do in the next few
months, so I'm unsure, if I can help much.
So I added myself to the list of interested people for now and let's
see how much I can help...

Thanks for your effort, once again
Thomas
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Old 07-28-2011, 12:03 AM
"Jason L Tibbitts III"
 
Default Starting a SIG for package reviews

So, that was pretty good response; only one reply here, but several
names were added to the wiki page. There seem to be enough people
interested to begin moving forward.

I can't think of a better place for discussion than this list, so I'll
just go ahead:

Could someone volunteer to co-chair this thing with me? The amount of
free time I have to work on these things can be quite variable, and
having someone sharing organizational duties would really help.

Could someone volunteer to work with the wiki? It and I don't really
get along, and I know that having a good page that gets linked from the
proper places can really help in driving membership.

I think it would be productive to have at least some meetings on IRC. I
don't have any illusions about being able to get everyone all together
at once but I've been involved here for long enough to know that some
things just don't get done on a mailing list. Folks who want to attend
are welcome to fill out http://whenisgood.net/43qkixx and we'll try to
find something that works. (The only hard conflict I have is the FPC
meeting.)

Finally, I want to repeat something that's on the wiki page: you don't
have to be a packager to join. I think participation in the SIG would
be a great vehicle to sponsorship.

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Old 07-28-2011, 01:11 PM
Stanislav Ochotnicky
 
Default Starting a SIG for package reviews

Excerpts from Jason L Tibbitts III's message of Thu Jul 28 02:03:21 +0200 2011:
> So, that was pretty good response; only one reply here, but several
> names were added to the wiki page. There seem to be enough people
> interested to begin moving forward.

Yeah, it would be nice to make our lives easier and more organized :-)

[snip]
> I think it would be productive to have at least some meetings on IRC. I
> don't have any illusions about being able to get everyone all together
> at once but I've been involved here for long enough to know that some
> things just don't get done on a mailing list. Folks who want to attend
> are welcome to fill out http://whenisgood.net/43qkixx and we'll try to
> find something that works. (The only hard conflict I have is the FPC
> meeting.)

I believe you forgot to set whenisgood to use timezones :-) I realized
this only after filling out the info, so if you can edit the event so
I can fix my times.


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Old 07-28-2011, 01:11 PM
Stanislav Ochotnicky
 
Default Starting a SIG for package reviews

Excerpts from Jason L Tibbitts III's message of Thu Jul 28 02:03:21 +0200 2011:
> So, that was pretty good response; only one reply here, but several
> names were added to the wiki page. There seem to be enough people
> interested to begin moving forward.

Yeah, it would be nice to make our lives easier and more organized :-)

[snip]
> I think it would be productive to have at least some meetings on IRC. I
> don't have any illusions about being able to get everyone all together
> at once but I've been involved here for long enough to know that some
> things just don't get done on a mailing list. Folks who want to attend
> are welcome to fill out http://whenisgood.net/43qkixx and we'll try to
> find something that works. (The only hard conflict I have is the FPC
> meeting.)

I believe you forgot to set whenisgood to use timezones :-) I realized
this only after filling out the info, so if you can edit the event so
I can fix my times.


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Old 07-28-2011, 01:11 PM
Stanislav Ochotnicky
 
Default Starting a SIG for package reviews

Excerpts from Jason L Tibbitts III's message of Thu Jul 28 02:03:21 +0200 2011:
> So, that was pretty good response; only one reply here, but several
> names were added to the wiki page. There seem to be enough people
> interested to begin moving forward.

Yeah, it would be nice to make our lives easier and more organized :-)

[snip]
> I think it would be productive to have at least some meetings on IRC. I
> don't have any illusions about being able to get everyone all together
> at once but I've been involved here for long enough to know that some
> things just don't get done on a mailing list. Folks who want to attend
> are welcome to fill out http://whenisgood.net/43qkixx and we'll try to
> find something that works. (The only hard conflict I have is the FPC
> meeting.)

I believe you forgot to set whenisgood to use timezones :-) I realized
this only after filling out the info, so if you can edit the event so
I can fix my times.


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Old 07-28-2011, 03:47 PM
"Jason L Tibbitts III"
 
Default Starting a SIG for package reviews

>>>>> "SO" == Stanislav Ochotnicky <sochotnicky@redhat.com> writes:

SO> I believe you forgot to set whenisgood to use timezones :-)

My understanding is that you have to log in in order to set your
timezone, or that choosing a timezone was something the responder had to
do. When I created the form, "Use timezones" was checked.

Not that I'm at all an expert at using that system.

- J<

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Old 07-28-2011, 03:55 PM
Jon Ciesla
 
Default Starting a SIG for package reviews

Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
>>>>>> "SO" == Stanislav Ochotnicky <sochotnicky@redhat.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>
> SO> I believe you forgot to set whenisgood to use timezones :-)
>
> My understanding is that you have to log in in order to set your
> timezone, or that choosing a timezone was something the responder had to
> do. When I created the form, "Use timezones" was checked.
>
> Not that I'm at all an expert at using that system.
>
> - J<
>
>
I just assumed, that since I'm an American, that everyone used my
timezone. Right?



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Old 07-28-2011, 04:22 PM
Iain Arnell
 
Default Starting a SIG for package reviews

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Jon Ciesla <limb@jcomserv.net> wrote:
> Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
>>>>>>> "SO" == Stanislav Ochotnicky <sochotnicky@redhat.com> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>
>> SO> I believe you forgot to set whenisgood to use timezones :-)
>>
>> My understanding is that you have to log in in order to set your
>> timezone, or that choosing a timezone was something the responder had to
>> do. *When I created the form, "Use timezones" was checked.
>>
>> Not that I'm at all an expert at using that system.
>>
> I just assumed, that since I'm an American, that everyone used my
> timezone. *Right?
>
>

Except in the summer (which is pretty much all the time) in most of
Arizona (or Hawaii) where you're on American Daylight Spending Time
and the rest of the country has to drive ~1000 miles east to catch up
(which is why Hawaii's on the list - at least until they finish
building I10 west of LA).



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