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Old 06-21-2011, 12:18 AM
Reindl Harald
 
Default PLEASE systemd: bugreports for missing service-files

please read this post, do not answer until tomorrwor and
try to undertand what i hardly want to explain you

Am 21.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Tue, 21.06.11 01:18, Reindl Harald (h.reindl@thelounge.net) wrote:
>
>>> You keep talking about 'random order' but I'm not sure this is accurate.
>>> My understanding was that systemd respects the dependency information in
>>> LSB-compliant headers and hence will fire these up in the correct order
>>> as long as the dependencies are correct. If there are any LSB-type
>>> headers with incorrect or incomplete dependency information, this is a
>>> bug that *can* be fixed with updates to F15
>>
>> god damned only the order is useless
>
> Your choice of words consisting of "fuck", "wtf", "god damned" and
> constant shouting does not help improve your case

this is the result you are only speaking about the non-native mysqld
of F15 while i try to find a way get mysqld independent of the fedora
maintainers perfectly running AND that english is not my native language,
i am really tired after trying days and nights to get mysqld native running


> If the ordering information is available and correct then systemd will
> execute services depending on MySQL only after MySQL is up and ready.

this is simply NOT true

even starting mysqld with a mysqld.service and starting dbmail.services
also with native servcies which are providing "Before=dbmail-imapd.service"
results in connection errors in the maillog because mysqld is not ready
and this is why i implented the "mysqld.socket"

if mysqld.socket is used "systemctl stop mysqld.service" results in a restart
and you will me explain that "systemctl stop mysqld.service mysqld.socket"
is they way to go instead making systemd smarter

so please can we stop this brainless discussion and you try to think
a little bit about usability and wtaht an admin expects if he stops a
service manually

in simple words: "if i stop a service" nobody and nothing has to start
it again, this must never happen except something oustide systemctl
kills the process

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Old 06-21-2011, 12:25 AM
Reindl Harald
 
Default PLEASE systemd: bugreports for missing service-files

sorry TYPO below

dbmail-imapd.service:
Before=mysqld.service

results also in mysql-errors in dbmail
please take a look at the follwoing bugreport

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714426

Am 21.06.2011 02:18, schrieb Reindl Harald:
> please read this post, do not answer until tomorrwor and
> try to undertand what i hardly want to explain you
>
> Am 21.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
>> On Tue, 21.06.11 01:18, Reindl Harald (h.reindl@thelounge.net) wrote:
>>
>>>> You keep talking about 'random order' but I'm not sure this is accurate.
>>>> My understanding was that systemd respects the dependency information in
>>>> LSB-compliant headers and hence will fire these up in the correct order
>>>> as long as the dependencies are correct. If there are any LSB-type
>>>> headers with incorrect or incomplete dependency information, this is a
>>>> bug that *can* be fixed with updates to F15
>>>
>>> god damned only the order is useless
>>
>> Your choice of words consisting of "fuck", "wtf", "god damned" and
>> constant shouting does not help improve your case
>
> this is the result you are only speaking about the non-native mysqld
> of F15 while i try to find a way get mysqld independent of the fedora
> maintainers perfectly running AND that english is not my native language,
> i am really tired after trying days and nights to get mysqld native running
>
>
>> If the ordering information is available and correct then systemd will
>> execute services depending on MySQL only after MySQL is up and ready.
>
> this is simply NOT true
>
> even starting mysqld with a mysqld.service and starting dbmail.services
> also with native servcies which are providing "Before=dbmail-imapd.service"
> results in connection errors in the maillog because mysqld is not ready
> and this is why i implented the "mysqld.socket"
>
> if mysqld.socket is used "systemctl stop mysqld.service" results in a restart
> and you will me explain that "systemctl stop mysqld.service mysqld.socket"
> is they way to go instead making systemd smarter
>
> so please can we stop this brainless discussion and you try to think
> a little bit about usability and wtaht an admin expects if he stops a
> service manually
>
> in simple words: "if i stop a service" nobody and nothing has to start
> it again, this must never happen except something oustide systemctl
> kills the process

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Old 06-21-2011, 04:19 AM
Peter Hutterer
 
Default PLEASE systemd: bugreports for missing service-files

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 02:18:48AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> please read this post, do not answer until tomorrwor and
> try to undertand what i hardly want to explain you
>
> Am 21.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> > On Tue, 21.06.11 01:18, Reindl Harald (h.reindl@thelounge.net) wrote:
> >
> >>> You keep talking about 'random order' but I'm not sure this is accurate.
> >>> My understanding was that systemd respects the dependency information in
> >>> LSB-compliant headers and hence will fire these up in the correct order
> >>> as long as the dependencies are correct. If there are any LSB-type
> >>> headers with incorrect or incomplete dependency information, this is a
> >>> bug that *can* be fixed with updates to F15
> >>
> >> god damned only the order is useless
> >
> > Your choice of words consisting of "fuck", "wtf", "god damned" and
> > constant shouting does not help improve your case
>
> this is the result you are only speaking about the non-native mysqld
> of F15 while i try to find a way get mysqld independent of the fedora
> maintainers perfectly running AND that english is not my native language,
> i am really tired after trying days and nights to get mysqld native running

"english as second language" is not an excuse for profanities.

Judging by your name* I'd say that you could have easily explained it to
Lennart in German in private email and then come back to continue the
_technical_ argument. Or even as an addendum to one of your emails on the
list here, I'm sure there are enough German speakers on the list that'd be
happy to clear up confusion where needed.

Cheers,
Peter

* after looking at your email address I can even offer you Austrian →
German translations in case it's still too hard for Lennart
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Old 06-21-2011, 07:16 AM
mike cloaked
 
Default PLEASE systemd: bugreports for missing service-files

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:19 AM, Peter Hutterer
<peter.hutterer@who-t.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 02:18:48AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> please read this post, do not answer until tomorrwor and
>> try to undertand what i hardly want to explain you
>>
>> Am 21.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
>> > On Tue, 21.06.11 01:18, Reindl Harald (h.reindl@thelounge.net) wrote:
>> >
>> >>> You keep talking about 'random order' but I'm not sure this is accurate.
>> >>> My understanding was that systemd respects the dependency information in
>> >>> LSB-compliant headers and hence will fire these up in the correct order
>> >>> as long as the dependencies are correct. If there are any LSB-type
>> >>> headers with incorrect or incomplete dependency information, this is a
>> >>> bug that *can* be fixed with updates to F15
>> >>
>> >> god damned only the order is useless
>> >
>> > Your choice of words consisting of "fuck", "wtf", "god damned" and
>> > constant shouting does not help improve your case
>>
>> this is the result you are only speaking about the non-native mysqld
>> of F15 while i try to find a way get mysqld independent of the fedora
>> maintainers perfectly running AND that english is not my native language,
>> i am really tired after trying days and nights to get mysqld native running
>
> "english as second language" is not an excuse for profanities.
>

Also worth remembering the old anonymous English proverb: "Use soft
words and hard arguments"

That is much more likely to lead to success and encouraging people to listen!

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