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Old 04-24-2011, 06:04 PM
Ilyes Gouta
 
Default PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)

Hi,
Removing PackageKit In Fedora 14 was easy and painless since it causes up to 5 packages, all *really* related to PackageKit in the form of a yum-plugin and few other things.


On Fedora 15, trying to "yum remove PackageKit" causes the system to attempt removing up to 74 MB worth of software, including gdm, empathy, bluez and gnome-shell !!!! Which is pointless.


Is it *really* required to have PackageKit so deeply integrated and made an essential package on the system. AFAIK, it's essentially a helper and a front-end for yum, right?
Is it possible to recover Fedora 14's lightweight dependencies set, for PackageKit?


Thanks,
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Old 04-24-2011, 06:12 PM
Reindl Harald
 
Default PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)

Am 24.04.2011 20:04, schrieb Ilyes Gouta:
> Hi,
>
> Removing PackageKit In Fedora 14 was easy and painless since it causes up to 5 packages, all *really* related to
> PackageKit in the form of a yum-plugin and few other things.
>
> On Fedora 15, trying to "yum remove PackageKit" causes the system to attempt removing up to 74 MB worth of
> software, including gdm, empathy, bluez and gnome-shell !!!! Which is pointless.
>
> Is it *really* required to have PackageKit so deeply integrated and made an essential package on the system. AFAIK,
> it's essentially a helper and a front-end for yum, right?
>
> Is it possible to recover Fedora 14's lightweight dependencies set, for PackageKit?
>
> Thanks,
> -Ilyes

generellay the dependecies are getting bigger with every release
it should be possible to install a leightweigt system

yes, hard-disk are getting cheaper but time!
on the other hand running 20-30 Fedora VMs on a SAN-Storage
disk space is not so cheap as at home and the overhead multiplies

means: i like to remove everything that is not active used because
distupgrades and normal updates are much bigger and especially on
servers everything which is not installed is not vulnerable

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Old 04-24-2011, 06:24 PM
Ilyes Gouta
 
Default PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)

Hi,
I filed a bug:�https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699263


-Ilyes

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:






Am 24.04.2011 20:04, schrieb Ilyes Gouta:

> Hi,

>

> Removing PackageKit In Fedora 14 was easy and painless since it causes up to 5 packages, all *really* related to

> PackageKit in the form of a yum-plugin and few other things.

>

> On Fedora 15, trying to "yum remove PackageKit" causes the system to attempt removing up to 74 MB worth of

> software, including gdm, empathy, bluez and gnome-shell !!!! Which is pointless.

>

> Is it *really* required to have PackageKit so deeply integrated and made an essential package on the system. AFAIK,

> it's essentially a helper and a front-end for yum, right?

>

> Is it possible to recover Fedora 14's lightweight dependencies set, for PackageKit?

>

> Thanks,

> -Ilyes



generellay the dependecies are getting bigger with every release

it should be possible to install a leightweigt system



yes, hard-disk are getting cheaper but time!

on the other hand running 20-30 Fedora VMs on a SAN-Storage

disk space is not so cheap as at home and the overhead multiplies



means: i like to remove everything that is not active used because

distupgrades and normal updates are much bigger and especially on

servers everything which is not installed is not vulnerable




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Old 04-24-2011, 06:38 PM
Richard Hughes
 
Default PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)

On 24 April 2011 19:24, Ilyes Gouta <ilyes.gouta@gmail.com> wrote:
> I filed a bug:*https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699263

I've commented on this, and closed it NOTABUG. Sorry.

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Old 04-24-2011, 06:55 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)

On 04/24/2011 11:54 PM, Ilyes Gouta wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I filed a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699263
>
> -Ilyes

PackageKit isn't just a yum frontend and is likely to be integrated more
and more with key components as we go forward. If you aren't actively
using the GNOME or KDE frontend, just remove those and leave the
framework as it is.

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Old 04-24-2011, 07:06 PM
Ilyes Gouta
 
Default PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)

Rahul,
> If you aren't actively�using the GNOME or KDE frontend, just remove those and leave the

>�framework as it is.
That was tough
AFAIK (and I might be wrong) deep PacakgeKit integration wasn't clearly mentioned in Fedora 15's feature set list.


I was just asking if it was possible to recover to a situation where the user would still have the choice, to use or not use PackageKit. That's all. Fedora 14 gave that choice.


Alright, thanks for explaining!
-Ilyes
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Rahul Sundaram <metherid@gmail.com> wrote:


On 04/24/2011 11:54 PM, Ilyes Gouta wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I filed a bug: �https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699263

>

> -Ilyes



PackageKit isn't just a yum frontend and is likely to be integrated more

and more with key components as we go forward. �If you aren't actively

using the GNOME or KDE frontend, just remove those and leave the

framework as it is.



Rahul

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Old 04-24-2011, 07:16 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)

On 04/25/2011 12:36 AM, Ilyes Gouta wrote:
> Rahul,
>
> > If you aren't actively using the GNOME or KDE frontend, just remove
> those and leave the
> > framework as it is.
>
> That was tough
>
> AFAIK (and I might be wrong) deep PacakgeKit integration wasn't
> clearly mentioned in Fedora 15's feature set list.

It isn't a feature that is driven by Fedora and hence it won't be in the
feature list. It is just what happens when more upstream software take
advantage of it over time..

>
> I was just asking if it was possible to recover to a situation where
> the user would still have the choice, to use or not use PackageKit.
> That's all. Fedora 14 gave that choice.
>
> Alright, thanks for explaining!

Just leave it installed. You don't have to use it. That is still a
choice.

Rahul

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Old 04-24-2011, 07:34 PM
Ilyes Gouta
 
Default PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)

Hi Rahul,
> It isn't a feature that is driven by Fedora and hence it won't be in the
> feature list. �It is just what happens when more upstream software take


> advantage of it over time..
Yes, NOW it's clear! Thanks Rahul!
-Ilyes

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Rahul Sundaram <metherid@gmail.com> wrote:


On 04/25/2011 12:36 AM, Ilyes Gouta wrote:

> Rahul,

>

> > If you aren't actively using the GNOME or KDE frontend, just remove

> those and leave the

> > framework as it is.

>

> That was tough

>

> AFAIK (and I might be wrong) deep PacakgeKit integration wasn't

> clearly mentioned in Fedora 15's feature set list.



It isn't a feature that is driven by Fedora and hence it won't be in the

feature list. �It is just what happens when more upstream software take

advantage of it over time..



>

> I was just asking if it was possible to recover to a situation where

> the user would still have the choice, to use or not use PackageKit.

> That's all. Fedora 14 gave that choice.

>

> Alright, thanks for explaining!



Just leave it installed. �You don't have to use it. �That is still a

choice.



Rahul



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Old 04-25-2011, 08:16 AM
"Richard W.M. Jones"
 
Default PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:25:16AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 04/24/2011 11:54 PM, Ilyes Gouta wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I filed a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699263
> >
> > -Ilyes
>
> PackageKit isn't just a yum frontend and is likely to be integrated more
> and more with key components as we go forward. If you aren't actively
> using the GNOME or KDE frontend, just remove those and leave the
> framework as it is.

PackageKit frequently *breaks* the yum command line, because it has
some unkillable (self-resurrecting) process that acquires a lock and
prevents yum from running. It's a bug that we can't remove it.

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Old 04-25-2011, 08:35 AM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)

On 04/25/2011 01:46 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> PackageKit frequently *breaks* the yum command line, because it has
> some unkillable (self-resurrecting) process that acquires a lock and
> prevents yum from running. It's a bug that we can't remove it.

You can edit the values in /etc/PackageKit/PackageKit.conf or remove
PackageKit-yum-plugin. I have requested that the values be higher by
default but haven't managed to convince PackageKit developers. If more
people complain about such issues instead of just removing it, we would
get a better default experience, I hope.

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