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Old 04-16-2011, 10:05 AM
Camilo Mesias
 
Default Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

Hi,

I made some noises on IRC about people upgrading to F15 (like myself)
who would all come across the same surprises and would have to find a
way to work around them. I suggested it might help to publish
something like release notes but more user oriented, to help to ease
the pain (and to defuse the many questions that will undoubtedly find
their way to the various support forums). At the time no-one seemed to
pick up on the idea.

I wrote a blog post about it, maybe not the best way to help Fedora
users so feel free to take the idea and the content and repackage it
as appropriate.

http://littlethorpe.net/wordpress/?p=334 "Fedora 15 Gnome 3 gotchas"

If nothing else maybe I have included the right words so that users
can Google for 'what the heck happened to my minimise button' or
whatever and find some help.

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Old 04-18-2011, 09:54 PM
Marius Andreiana
 
Default Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Camilo Mesias <camilo@mesias.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,



I wrote a blog post about it, maybe not the best way to help Fedora

users so feel free to take the idea and the content and repackage it

as appropriate.


Thanks, very useful!

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Old 05-06-2011, 01:58 PM
Denys Vlasenko
 
Default Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 11:05 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I made some noises on IRC about people upgrading to F15 (like myself)
> who would all come across the same surprises and would have to find a
> way to work around them. I suggested it might help to publish
> something like release notes but more user oriented, to help to ease
> the pain (and to defuse the many questions that will undoubtedly find
> their way to the various support forums). At the time no-one seemed to
> pick up on the idea.
>
> I wrote a blog post about it, maybe not the best way to help Fedora
> users so feel free to take the idea and the content and repackage it
> as appropriate.
>
> http://littlethorpe.net/wordpress/?p=334 "Fedora 15 Gnome 3 gotchas"
>
> If nothing else maybe I have included the right words so that users
> can Google for 'what the heck happened to my minimise button' or
> whatever and find some help.

Gnome 3 is a usability disaster. It added some useful things, yes,
but it also REMOVED some useful things - what a hell!?
Since when is that a valid development practice?
Do we hate our users or what?

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Old 05-06-2011, 02:03 PM
Frank Murphy
 
Default Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

On 06/05/11 14:58, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
<snip>
>
> Gnome 3 is a usability disaster. It added some useful things, yes,
> but it also REMOVED some useful things - what a hell!?
> Since when is that a valid development practice?
> Do we hate our users or what?
>

Any plans for a gui replacement for gnome-schedule?


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Old 05-06-2011, 04:17 PM
Michael Cronenworth
 
Default Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

On 05/06/2011 08:58 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:

Gnome 3 is a usability disaster. It added some useful things, yes,
but it also REMOVED some useful things - what a hell!?
Since when is that a valid development practice?
Do we hate our users or what?




While Gnome 3 is a complete rewrite of the usability playbook, I
feel it is not a disaster. It offers a fresh start. Gnome 3 will
allow people to customize it the way they want. Don't believe
me? Google for Gnome 3 extensions[1]. They basically allow you
to customize any part of your desktop even against C libraries
(as long as they have a typelib) using only _javascript_. Once I
saw how Gnome 3 was designed I came to like it. Gnome 2 was
leading to a road to no where. Sure, Gnome 3 doesn't have
*everything* Gnome 2 had in terms of features, but in a matter
of months I feel those missing features will be created in
extensions.



P.S. You're not going to receive much sympathy from anyone on
the desktop list or Gnome community by phrasing your comments
like this.



P.P.S. The desktop or test list would love to continue this
discussion.



[1]
http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2011/04/gnome-3-shell-extensions.html




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Old 05-06-2011, 08:24 PM
Camilo Mesias
 
Default Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

Having used it for a while, I find it more than adequate. Currently
F15 is blighted by some undiagnosed crashes for me (Bug 697157) but
Gnome 3 just isn't a problem.

There are some odd things that can be worked around, but the overall
way of working is good. I found myself dragging a Windows XP window to
the top of the screen recently to try to maximise it. The Gnome 3
stuff had just become ingrained.

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Old 05-06-2011, 10:48 PM
"Jason D. Clinton"
 
Default Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 08:58, Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com> wrote:

Gnome 3 is a usability disaster. It added some useful things, yes,

but it also REMOVED some useful things - what a hell!?

Since when is that a valid development practice?

Do we hate our users or what?

If you have some constructive feedback to offer, I would be willing to help you understand why GNOME 3 is an improvement.


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Old 05-06-2011, 10:51 PM
"Jason D. Clinton"
 
Default Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 09:03, Frank Murphy <frankly3d@gmail.com> wrote:

Any plans for a gui replacement for gnome-schedule?

It doesn't appear to be abandoned:
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-schedule/log/



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Old 05-07-2011, 09:58 AM
Frank Murphy
 
Default Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

On 06/05/11 23:51, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 09:03, Frank Murphy <frankly3d@gmail.com
> <mailto:frankly3d@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Any plans for a gui replacement for gnome-schedule?
>
>
> It doesn't appear to be abandoned:
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-schedule/log/
>

It's obsoleted by gnome-panel in F15.

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Old 05-07-2011, 10:53 AM
Misha Shnurapet
 
Default Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

07.05.2011, 18:58, "Frank Murphy" <frankly3d@gmail.com>:
> On 06/05/11 23:51, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
>
>> *On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 09:03, Frank Murphy <frankly3d@gmail.com
>> *<mailto:frankly3d@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> *****Any plans for a gui replacement for gnome-schedule?
>>
>> *It doesn't appear to be abandoned:
>> *http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-schedule/log/
>
> It's obsoleted by gnome-panel in F15.

Is there a GUI tool to manage cron tasks?

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