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Old 11-29-2010, 08:56 AM
Petr Pisar
 
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Hello,

Few days ago I started to get very usefull notifications that my
critical package, mingetty-1.08-6.fc13, `has been in 'testing' status
for over 2 weeks, and has yet to be approved.'

I doubt such mails help me as the package maintainer, because according
current Updates policy
<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Updates_to_.27critical_path.27_pack ages>, I can only wait to some (proven) testers to test my package.

I think better place to send such allerts is proven-testers mailing list
/ alias (does not exist amazingly) or
<test-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org> mailing list.

I'd like to request persons reposnsible for forcing and implementing
Update Policy and bodhi notification system to re-eavaluate current
configuration in spot of this concerns and to make package update
process more friendly for all involved people.

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Old 11-29-2010, 09:11 AM
Peter Robinson
 
Default old_testing_critpath notifications

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Petr Pisar <ppisar@redhat.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Few days ago I started to get very usefull notifications that my
> critical package, mingetty-1.08-6.fc13, `has been in 'testing' status
> for over 2 weeks, and has yet to be approved.'
>
> I doubt such mails help me as the package maintainer, because according
> current Updates policy
> <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Updates_to_.27critical_path.27_pack ages>, I can only wait to some (proven) testers to test my package.
>
> I think better place to send such allerts is proven-testers mailing list
> / alias (does not exist amazingly) or
> <test-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org> mailing list.
>
> I'd like to request persons reposnsible for forcing and implementing
> Update Policy and bodhi notification system to re-eavaluate current
> configuration in spot of this concerns and to make package update
> process more friendly for all involved people.

Proven testers do get copies of these emails (dozens of them) and its
also summarised in the updates-testing report for all to see.

Peter
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Old 11-29-2010, 12:36 PM
Petr Pisar
 
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On 2010-11-29, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Petr Pisar <ppisar@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Proven testers do get copies of these emails (dozens of them) and its
> also summarised in the updates-testing report for all to see.
>
Oh, I thought <test@l.f.o.> described as `For testers of Fedora
development releases' concerns alpha and similar (pre-)releases only.

In that case, only one issue remains: to stop spamming package
maintainer.

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Old 11-29-2010, 12:46 PM
Peter Robinson
 
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On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Petr Pisar <ppisar@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 2010-11-29, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Petr Pisar <ppisar@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Proven testers do get copies of these emails (dozens of them) and its
>> also summarised in the updates-testing report for all to see.
>>
> Oh, I thought <test@l.f.o.> described as `For testers of Fedora
> development releases' concerns alpha and similar (pre-)releases only.
>
> In that case, only one issue remains: to stop spamming package
> maintainer.

Well it advises the package maintainer that their update is old. I
have no problems with it and I maintain around 120 packages. Filter it
if you don't like it.

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Old 11-29-2010, 01:29 PM
Marcela Mašláňová
 
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On 11/29/2010 02:46 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Petr Pisar <ppisar@redhat.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-11-29, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Petr Pisar <ppisar@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Proven testers do get copies of these emails (dozens of them) and its
>>> also summarised in the updates-testing report for all to see.
>>>
>> Oh, I thought <test@l.f.o.> described as `For testers of Fedora
>> development releases' concerns alpha and similar (pre-)releases only.
>>
>> In that case, only one issue remains: to stop spamming package
>> maintainer.
> Well it advises the package maintainer that their update is old. I
> have no problems with it and I maintain around 120 packages. Filter it
> if you don't like it.
>
> Peter
Great, so I will filter all messages from koji, but not these, which
contains -1. Wouldn't be easier don't bother with spam?

Marcela

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Old 11-29-2010, 01:34 PM
Petr Pisar
 
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On 2010-11-29, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Petr Pisar <ppisar@redhat.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-11-29, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Petr Pisar <ppisar@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Proven testers do get copies of these emails (dozens of them) and its
>>> also summarised in the updates-testing report for all to see.
>>>
>> Oh, I thought <test@l.f.o.> described as `For testers of Fedora
>> development releases' concerns alpha and similar (pre-)releases only.
>>
>> In that case, only one issue remains: to stop spamming package
>> maintainer.
>
> Well it advises the package maintainer that their update is old.

And I am supposed to be reminded every day. My sclerosis is no so bad
yet.

> have no problems with it and I maintain around 120 packages. Filter it
> if you don't like it.

Are you interrested in such notifications?

I do not get the idea why I should filter some irrelevant mails if
better is to not sent them. Especially if I cannot solve the subject of
the mail. Yeah, the subject is somobody does not did his job. I cannot
imagine the knowledge would help me in my packager duties.

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Old 11-29-2010, 02:21 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
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On 11/29/2010 08:04 PM, Petr Pisar wrote:
> I do not get the idea why I should filter some irrelevant mails if
> better is to not sent them. Especially if I cannot solve the subject of
> the mail. Yeah, the subject is somobody does not did his job. I cannot
> imagine the knowledge would help me in my packager duties.

I am sorry but "somebody does not did his job"? It is not the "job" of
anyone to test packages for you. They are merely helping out and we
will get more help if we express gratitude instead of a sense of
entitlement.

Rahul
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Old 11-29-2010, 03:11 PM
Petr Pisar
 
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On 2010-11-29, Rahul Sundaram <metherid@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/29/2010 08:04 PM, Petr Pisar wrote:
>> I do not get the idea why I should filter some irrelevant mails if
>> better is to not sent them. Especially if I cannot solve the subject of
>> the mail. Yeah, the subject is somobody does not did his job. I cannot
>> imagine the knowledge would help me in my packager duties.
>
> I am sorry but "somebody does not did his job"? It is not the "job" of
> anyone to test packages for you. They are merely helping out and we
> will get more help if we express gratitude instead of a sense of
> entitlement.
>
I do not accuse anybody not duing his job. I just complain the mails are
absolutly irrelevant from point of view of package maintainer who pushed
the package. You can replace the `job' with `expected duty' or `role'.

I could worry about my packages not being stabilized, however that would
be all I could do and it would have no effect. Frankly, I don't care
about stable-status of my packages as that are Fedora rules that draw
line between packager and tester `duties' in package update. I could
become proven tester to test (not only) my own packages, however such
cheating would be silly.

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Old 11-29-2010, 04:33 PM
Adam Williamson
 
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On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 14:34 +0000, Petr Pisar wrote:

> I do not get the idea why I should filter some irrelevant mails if
> better is to not sent them. Especially if I cannot solve the subject of
> the mail. Yeah, the subject is somobody does not did his job. I cannot
> imagine the knowledge would help me in my packager duties.

Your packager duties include aiding in ensuring testing of your packages
takes place. It is not true that there is nothing you can do. You can
contact proven testers and ask them to test your package, you can
contact people who use your package (I would hope you know some!) and
ask them to become proven testers to ensure that your updates are pushed
in timely fashion in future.

QA is not 'someone else's problem', it's a collaborative effort. Fedora
is a community-based volunteer-driven project; neither Red Hat nor The
Fedora Project has a thousand minimum-wage Fedora test slaves in a room
somewhere ready to do all the testing we could ever desire.
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Old 11-29-2010, 08:50 PM
Kevin Kofler
 
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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> I am sorry but "somebody does not did his job"? It is not the "job" of
> anyone to test packages for you. They are merely helping out and we
> will get more help if we express gratitude instead of a sense of
> entitlement.

But this is exactly why the current policy which REQUIRES testing is broken.

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