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Old 11-07-2010, 11:00 PM
Felix Miata
 
Default Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=623742 was duped to newer bug
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624297

The older:

1-began life with equivalent summary: "system-config-display fails "

2-contains same comment 0 information as the latter

3-was directed to be filed by triagers on IRC

4-has 48 CCs

If bug fixers plan to only fix bugs they themselves file or randomly choose
to attach patches to, there's no need for anyone else to file bugs, as the
fixers obviously can't be bothered to see what bugs already have been filed.
They might as well be the only testers too.

If I was a regular triager in Redhat's Bugzilla, this would put an end to it.
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:07 PM
Digimer
 
Default Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

On 10-11-07 07:00 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=623742 was duped to newer bug
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624297
>
> The older:
>
> 1-began life with equivalent summary: "system-config-display fails "
>
> 2-contains same comment 0 information as the latter
>
> 3-was directed to be filed by triagers on IRC
>
> 4-has 48 CCs
>
> If bug fixers plan to only fix bugs they themselves file or randomly choose
> to attach patches to, there's no need for anyone else to file bugs, as the
> fixers obviously can't be bothered to see what bugs already have been filed.
> They might as well be the only testers too.
>
> If I was a regular triager in Redhat's Bugzilla, this would put an end to it.

I've personally filed a good number of bugs that have, in fact, been
resolved and closed. I've also posted bugs that have never been acted on.

Generally, the more detailed your bug is, specifically in regards to how
to reproduce it, the more likely it is that it will be acted on. I
suspect that most of the bugs that are submitted by redhat folks
themselves get dealt with because they know what other developers want
and need in a bug.

Try popping by IRC and asking why a particular bug hasn't been acted on.
If it's a lack of time, then there you go. If it's a lack of information
though, then someone might be able to help guide you as to what else is
needed. You can also reply to your own bugs asking for follow-up.

Regardless, I am certain that the developers appreciate people who
attempt to submit bugs more than users who don't even bother.

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Old 11-08-2010, 07:40 AM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:07:08 -0500, Digimer wrote:

> Try popping by IRC and asking why a particular bug hasn't been acted on.

Does that scale?

> If it's a lack of time, then there you go.

I wouldn't expect somebody to lurk on IRC then and visit a ticket just
because someone else makes some noise.
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Old 11-08-2010, 07:56 AM
Peter Lemenkov
 
Default Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010/11/8 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=623742 was duped to newer bug
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624297
>
> The older:

[sorry, skipped]

> 4-has 48 CCs

This is a known issue in (at least in RedHat's) bugzilla. If you
close bug "A" as duplicate of another bug "B", then all your CC-ed to
bug "A" users won't re-subscribed to bug "B".

Bugzilla is evil.
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Old 11-08-2010, 07:58 AM
Peter Lemenkov
 
Default Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010/11/8 Peter Lemenkov <lemenkov@gmail.com>:
> 2010/11/8 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>:
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=623742 was duped to newer bug
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624297
>>
>> The older:
>
> [sorry, skipped]
>
>> 4-has 48 CCs
>
> This is a known issue in *(at least in RedHat's) bugzilla. If you
> close bug "A" as duplicate of another bug "B", then all your CC-ed to
> bug "A" users won't re-subscribed to bug "B".

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523634

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Old 11-08-2010, 04:17 PM
Ankur Sinha
 
Default Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

On Mon, 2010-11-08 at 11:58 +0300, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523634

Added comments with the *latest* example. The bug last had a reply from
the maintainer in 2009. Somehow, he called it a "feature request" rather
than a bug[1]. *shrug*

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523634#c2

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Old 11-08-2010, 10:01 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

On Sun, 2010-11-07 at 19:00 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=623742 was duped to newer bug
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624297
>
> The older:
>
> 1-began life with equivalent summary: "system-config-display fails "
>
> 2-contains same comment 0 information as the latter
>
> 3-was directed to be filed by triagers on IRC
>
> 4-has 48 CCs
>
> If bug fixers plan to only fix bugs they themselves file or randomly choose
> to attach patches to, there's no need for anyone else to file bugs, as the
> fixers obviously can't be bothered to see what bugs already have been filed.
> They might as well be the only testers too.
>
> If I was a regular triager in Redhat's Bugzilla, this would put an end to it.

jeez, over-react much?

The duping was done by Lubomir, as he was providing a patch to fix the
problem (which is, lest we forget, what we all wanted in the first
place). He explained his reasoning right in the comment. I don't know
why you think it's a great idea to blow this up into a huge issue on a
mailing list.

We have fairly permissive permissions on Bugzilla, because we don't have
enough people to rule it with an iron fist, so we mostly trust people to
Get It Right. If there's a major ongoing systemic problem we have
mechanisms for dealing with it. A case where one other community member
did something you disagree with while he was busy actually fixing the
bug really doesn't qualify, IMO.
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Old 11-08-2010, 11:51 PM
Felix Miata
 
Default Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

On 2010/11/08 18:01 (GMT-0500) Adam Williamson composed:

> The duping was done by Lubomir, as he was providing a patch to fix the
> problem (which is, lest we forget, what we all wanted in the first
> place). He explained his reasoning right in the comment. I don't know
> why you think it's a great idea to blow this up into a huge issue on a
> mailing list.

His explanation "useless chatter" was nothing but an excuse. There was no
material useless chatter there. Useless chatter is complaining, advocating,
or asking for personal support, none of which was in the original, which,
unlike the latter, dates the origin of the problem more accurately.

Lubomir made exactly zero comments in the original prior to duping it, a
likely indicator that he didn't bother to even look for it before duping, or
check to see its longer history included the newer bug's content.

> A case where one other community member
> did something you disagree with while he was busy actually fixing the
> bug really doesn't qualify, IMO.

If the policy can't be clear that _reasonable_ justification is prerequisite
to duping an older bug to a newer, and some semblance of enforcement applied,
then I don't need to file any more bugs, or test any further. I don't see why
many others would either, or why triagers would waste their time.
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