On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 16:55 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
> 2008/1/12, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@chello.at>:
> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <jakub.rusinek <at> gmail.com> writes:
> > Fedora ships GTK-based config tools which is VERY wrong.
>
> Would you rather the tools were in Tk, Xaw, lesstif or some
> other ancient ugly
> toolkit? GTK+ is much better than any of those!
>
> Kevin Kofler
>
> Those tools should detect DE and then use adequate library. Exactly
> how YaST2 does, with success.

Let us know when you've figured out how to do that.

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On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 04:55:22PM +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
> 2008/1/12, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@chello.at>:
> >
> > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <jakub.rusinek <at> gmail.com> writes:
> > > Fedora ships GTK-based config tools which is VERY wrong.
> >
> > Would you rather the tools were in Tk, Xaw, lesstif or some other ancient
> > ugly
> > toolkit? GTK+ is much better than any of those!
>
> Those tools should detect DE and then use adequate library. Exactly how
> YaST2 does, with success.

gnome-system-tools lets you do exactly that. The core functionality is
all in the non-GUI backend. The GUI is just a shim which talks to the
backend over DBus. So you can plug in whatever GUI you like and use the
same backend code . Feel free to write a backend for KDE / whatever other
DE you care about...

Dan.
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2008/1/12, Daniel P. Berrange <berrange@redhat.com>:
On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 04:55:22PM +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
> 2008/1/12, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@chello.at>:
> >
> > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <
jakub.rusinek <at> gmail.com> writes:
> > > Fedora ships GTK-based config tools which is VERY wrong.
> >
> > Would you rather the tools were in Tk, Xaw, lesstif or some other ancient

> > ugly
> > toolkit? GTK+ is much better than any of those!
>
> Those tools should detect DE and then use adequate library. Exactly how
> YaST2 does, with success.

gnome-system-tools lets you do exactly that. The core functionality is

all in the non-GUI backend. The GUI is just a shim which talks to the
backend over DBus. So you can plug in whatever GUI you like and use the
same backend code . Feel free to write a backend for KDE / whatever other

DE you care about...

Dan.
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I'm not an programmer, but I know something about it...
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Daniel P. Berrange <berrange <at> redhat.com> writes:
> gnome-system-tools lets you do exactly that. The core functionality is
> all in the non-GUI backend. The GUI is just a shim which talks to the
> backend over DBus. So you can plug in whatever GUI you like and use the
> same backend code . Feel free to write a backend for KDE / whatever other
> DE you care about...

But something tells me the "gnome" in the name won't make the project very
attractive to the KDE community...

Personally I don't care too much about the name, even though I think having
something like "gnome-system-tools-backend" as a dependency of whatever the KDE
version would be called if it gets written is going to confuse users.

Kevin Kofler

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Kevin Kofler wrote:

Daniel P. Berrange <berrange <at> redhat.com> writes:

gnome-system-tools lets you do exactly that. The core functionality is
all in the non-GUI backend. The GUI is just a shim which talks to the
backend over DBus. So you can plug in whatever GUI you like and use the
same backend code . Feel free to write a backend for KDE / whatever other
DE you care about...


But something tells me the "gnome" in the name won't make the project very
attractive to the KDE community...


Personally I don't care too much about the name, even though I think having
something like "gnome-system-tools-backend" as a dependency of whatever the KDE
version would be called if it gets written is going to confuse users.


Kevin Kofler


Yeah that probably needs to be rethought, perhaps breaking the backend out to a
'DE independent' package name and description that gnome-system-tools then
depends on.


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On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 00:33 +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrange <berrange <at> redhat.com> writes:
> > gnome-system-tools lets you do exactly that. The core functionality is
> > all in the non-GUI backend. The GUI is just a shim which talks to the
> > backend over DBus. So you can plug in whatever GUI you like and use the
> > same backend code . Feel free to write a backend for KDE / whatever other
> > DE you care about...
>
> But something tells me the "gnome" in the name won't make the project very
> attractive to the KDE community...
>
> Personally I don't care too much about the name, even though I think having
> something like "gnome-system-tools-backend" as a dependency of whatever the KDE
> version would be called if it gets written is going to confuse users.
>
> Kevin Kofler
>

You are lucky... the backends are called system-tools-backends, and live
on fd.o: http://system-tools-backends.freedesktop.org/

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