On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 07:32:06PM +0100, Gergely Buday wrote:

> is there a list of known deficiencies of fedora - I mean those which
> can be cured by developing new software, rather than fixing bugs? Or,
> if such list does not exist, can you name a few missing item from
> fedora? Think of relatively small would-be software, without a GUI.

Maybe there is something for you on the Fedora wishlist:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WishList

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- Gergely

2010/3/17, Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 19:32:06 +0100,
> Gergely Buday <gbuday@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> is there a list of known deficiencies of fedora - I mean those which
>> can be cured by developing new software, rather than fixing bugs? Or,
>> if such list does not exist, can you name a few missing item from
>> fedora? Think of relatively small would-be software, without a GUI.
>
> I don't think there is any global list of such things. Various SIGs may have
> wish lists.
>
> Can you explain more about why you want such a list?
>

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 21:48:40 +0100,
Gergely Buday <gbuday@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm a notorius functional programmer and look for a task that
> certainly has users.

Then engineering services is a good area to look. The autoQA project probably
could use assistance. Infrastructure and release engineering are other
places to look for projects to do for Fedora that might have that kind of
task on their wish lists.
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Gergely Buday wrote:
> is there a list of known deficiencies of fedora - I mean those which
> can be cured by developing new software, rather than fixing bugs? Or,
> if such list does not exist, can you name a few missing item from
> fedora? Think of relatively small would-be software, without a GUI.

There's always that big security hole in the installer – more of an RFE than a
bug, and over eleven years old now. Anaconda can download and install packages
from the network, but it doesn't check whether they have been tampered with.
This hits upgrading particularly hard, because upgrading from a DVD is broken
without updates and insecure if updates are included, and Preupgrade will also
remain insecure until this gets addressed.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=998

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Am Mittwoch, den 17.03.2010, 19:32 +0100 schrieb Gergely Buday:
> Hi there,
Shalom & As-Sal�mu `Alaykum

> is there a list of known deficiencies of fedora - I mean those which
> can be cured by developing new software, rather than fixing bugs? Or,
> if such list does not exist, can you name a few missing item from
> fedora? Think of relatively small would-be software, without a GUI.
Can the missing of some CLI software being a main problem of fedora?
Fedora has a lot of CLI-software. What software do you think is missing?

The only CLI software I'm really missing is a well worked anaconda CLI
and a slim gui install system without firstboot which requires metacity.
Why should users of the KDE system install metacity and the half gnome
desktop? Sorry, but this doesn't make sense to me. Every time I hear
firstboot I want to do my first shutdown, because I'm sure that adding
users and deal with smolt can be handled in the installer and the
LICENSE should be definitly displayed BEFORE the user can install
software!

On my wishlist is an anaconda-text-installer (and a slim gui installer
of course) on the top which is easy to use and gives you a lot
functionality, like the BSD-Installer http://www.bsdinstaller.org

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On 03/21/2010 04:47 AM, Simon Wesp wrote:
> . Every time I hear
> firstboot I want to do my first shutdown, because I'm sure that adding
> users and deal with smolt can be handled in the installer and the
> LICENSE should be definitly displayed BEFORE the user can install
> software!
>

Firstboot is designed as separate program for good reasons. Think OEM
setups for example and Fedora has no EULA so there is no need to display
it at the start of the installation process.

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On 18/03/10 05:32, Gergely Buday wrote:
> if such list does not exist, can you name a few missing item from
> fedora? Think of relatively small would-be software, without a GUI.
Not sure if you mean you would like to work on gui interface to existing
CLI ?

Anyway, I think it would be nice for anaconda installer to grow more
informative in providing information that indicates it is really doing
something, rather than possibly hung.

My idea was to lift/use code from gkrellm / gnome system monitor, to
provide CPU, disk and network graphs, during any part of the install
process that takes more than 1 second. Whether anyone else would see
this as useful, you would have to find out.
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Am Sonntag, den 21.03.2010, 08:14 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
> On 03/21/2010 04:47 AM, Simon Wesp wrote:
> > . Every time I hear
> > firstboot I want to do my first shutdown, because I'm sure that adding
> > users and deal with smolt can be handled in the installer and the
> > LICENSE should be definitly displayed BEFORE the user can install
> > software!
> >
>
> Firstboot is designed as separate program for good reasons. Think OEM
> setups for example and Fedora has no EULA so there is no need to display
> it at the start of the installation process.
I know this fact, but this is solvable. Maybe with a setup parameter for OEM setup.
Fact is that the currently firstboot is a fat bitch and should diets to
become more attractive.
> Rahul
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On 03/21/2010 04:33 PM, Simon Wesp wrote:
>
> I know this fact, but this is solvable. Maybe with a setup parameter for OEM setup.
> Fact is that the currently firstboot is a fat bitch and should diets to
> become more attractive.
>

Maybe. It requires more of a concrete idea + patches though.
Anaconda-devel list would be a more appropriate place to discuss that.

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