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Old 03-12-2010, 01:54 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

On 03/12/2010 08:24 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>> I should make people sit in a dial-up connection and have them
>> update software now and then to bring them back to the ground.
>>
> I don't see why we should cripple our distribution just to support
> communication technologies from the 80s or 90s. It's 2010 now, those
> technologies are over 10 years out of date!
>
> If the infrastructure sucks where you live, what needs to happen is that the
> infrastructure needs to improve, not that the whole world adapts to stone-
> age infrastructure.
>
This is extremely poor attitude Kevin and reeks of arrogance. Talking
down on users and contributors who don't have the privilege of high
bandwidth connections isn't what I expected from you. Nothing left to say.

Rahul
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Old 03-12-2010, 02:47 PM
Eric Sandeen
 
Default Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> I should make people sit in a dial-up connection and have them
>> update software now and then to bring them back to the ground.
>
> I don't see why we should cripple our distribution just to support
> communication technologies from the 80s or 90s. It's 2010 now, those
> technologies are over 10 years out of date!
>
> If the infrastructure sucks where you live, what needs to happen is that the
> infrastructure needs to improve, not that the whole world adapts to stone-
> age infrastructure. Bandwidth is required for many more applications than
> just fetching Fedora updates.
>
> Kevin Kofler
>

Be sure to let our friends in developing countries know that to make Fedora's
life easier, they'd better get their infrastructure updated pronto?

I really think this is not the approach, unless Fedora is just for rich people
in (theoretically) rich countries. I doubt that's what we want.

-Eric
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Old 03-12-2010, 06:51 PM
Kevin Kofler
 
Default Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

Eric Sandeen wrote:
> Be sure to let our friends in developing countries know that to make
> Fedora's life easier, they'd better get their infrastructure updated
> pronto?

Developing countries need to, well, DEVELOP their infrastructure. In the
meantime, there are plenty of distributions with fewer updates the people
unlucky enough to be stuck with such outdated infrastructure can use. We
shouldn't let the whole world be restricted by limitations of 80s or 90s
infrastructure out of some misguided principle of inclusiveness or, worse,
political correctness. There needs to be SOME distribution targeted at
modern infrastructure, using the possibilities modern technology allows, and
Fedora is a good candidate, due to our history and objectives. The only
long-term solution to the problem is for those people to get access to
contemporary technologies anyway. If you really want to help these people,
you need to contribute to efforts to upgrade their technology, e.g. through
monetary donations, participation in infrastructure projects etc. Turning
Fedora into a conservative distribution is only a misguided attempt at
curing the symptoms, it does nothing to solve the true problem.

> I really think this is not the approach, unless Fedora is just for rich
> people in (theoretically) rich countries. I doubt that's what we want.

Re the "rich people" argument, in most of Europe, broadband is actually LESS
expensive than dial-up for anything more than very casual use, because dial-
up is usually metered (by time duration of use, so reducing bandwidth
requirements only helps indirectly) whereas broadband is usually on a
flatrate.

Kevin Kofler

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Old 03-15-2010, 06:02 PM
Jochen Schmitt
 
Default Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

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Am 15.03.2010 18:15, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
>
> You did read it incorrectly. Splitting up the update stream doesn't
> involve going back to core+extras at all. KDE has a additional repo
> already in kde-redhat.sf.net where they have first builds before they
> get into the official updates repo..
Sorry, from my point of view this is not a solution for KDE.

If you may take an update on KDE, this may indicate an update of Qt
which cause additionally depended updates on other packages like
stellarium or luma. So the main issue is to coordinate the updates of
all of this packages to avoid failing applications by the end-user.

Best Regards:

Jochen Schmitt
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