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Old 02-06-2010, 07:50 PM
Kevin Fenzi
 
Default ABRT unusable again

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:03:23 +0100
Karel Klic <kklic@redhat.com> wrote:

...snip...

> Please consider testing and adding +1 karma to ABRT 1.0.6 in Bodhi.

Sadly, I don't think it's going to get much testing currently.

The only folks who can test it are those that just enable
updates-testing and update abrt. Anyone who keeps updates-testing
enabled fully will have the newer kernel that doesn't work with
abrt. ;(

So, I think we need a fixed kernel in updates-testing and wait a bit
before pushing this to stable, IMHO.

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Old 02-06-2010, 07:59 PM
drago01
 
Default ABRT unusable again

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Thomas Spura
<spurath@students.uni-mainz.de> wrote:
> Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 20:18 +0100 schrieb Christoph Wickert:
>> Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 19:27 +0100 schrieb drago01:
>> > What needs to be fixed here is bugzilla not ABRT, we need a "report
>> > upstream" button.
>>
>> Ok, and where is the "submit downstream" button in upstream's bug
>> tracker? The Fedora maintainer still will have to forward replies,
>> questions, calls for testing etc. from upstream back to the user and
>> this is a lot of work.
>
> Maybe he wants to have our bugzilla and upstreams bugzilla connected, so
> that the developer can directly talk to the reporter and propose a fix,
> that the maintainer can submit to the testing repos.
> Not a bad idea.

Yeah exactly, I wasn't suggesting that the maintainer should act as a
proxy between user and upstream developer (that would be insane).
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Old 02-06-2010, 08:32 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default ABRT unusable again

On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 14:08 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:53:14 +0000, Leigh wrote:
>
> > IMO ABRT isn't that useful as a lot of the reports don't include steps
> > to reproduce (I just close the bugs after a month if they don't respond
> > to the "needinfo" request).
> > I believe ABRT shouldn't file a bug report unless it is filled in
> > properly.
>
> Yeah, some of us have pointed out that before.

And, IIRC, Jiri has already agreed and said this will be implemented, so
why bring it up again?
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Old 02-06-2010, 08:33 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default ABRT unusable again

On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 14:08 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:53:14 +0000, Leigh wrote:
>
> > IMO ABRT isn't that useful as a lot of the reports don't include steps
> > to reproduce (I just close the bugs after a month if they don't respond
> > to the "needinfo" request).
> > I believe ABRT shouldn't file a bug report unless it is filled in
> > properly.
>
> Yeah, some of us have pointed out that before.

I believe Jiri has already agreed and said this will be implemented.
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Hi to all!

After I upgraded last week to latest xorg drivers my squeeze box, I had
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Old 02-06-2010, 08:48 PM
Leigh Scott
 
Default ABRT unusable again

On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 13:32 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:

> And, IIRC, Jiri has already agreed and said this will be implemented, so
> why bring it up again?
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I have only recently subscribed to the devel-list and haven't had the
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:07 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default ABRT unusable again

On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 21:48 +0000, Leigh Scott wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 13:32 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > And, IIRC, Jiri has already agreed and said this will be implemented, so
> > why bring it up again?
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> > http://www.happyassassin.net

> I have only recently subscribed to the devel-list and haven't had the
> time to trawl though it all.

Yeah, I actually only meant to send the more polite version of that
email. Damn Evolution
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:56 PM
Mail Lists
 
Default ABRT unusable again

On 02/06/2010 03:50 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
rt. ;(
>
> So, I think we need a fixed kernel in updates-testing and wait a bit
> before pushing this to stable, IMHO.
>
> kevin
>

Surely you're not suggesting holding up a decent kernel from going to
stable while waiting for Abrt ?


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Old 02-06-2010, 10:59 PM
Christoph Wickert
 
Default ABRT unusable again

Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 21:59 +0100 schrieb drago01:
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Thomas Spura
> <spurath@students.uni-mainz.de> wrote:
> > Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 20:18 +0100 schrieb Christoph Wickert:
> >> Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 19:27 +0100 schrieb drago01:
> >> > What needs to be fixed here is bugzilla not ABRT, we need a "report
> >> > upstream" button.
> >>
> >> Ok, and where is the "submit downstream" button in upstream's bug
> >> tracker? The Fedora maintainer still will have to forward replies,
> >> questions, calls for testing etc. from upstream back to the user and
> >> this is a lot of work.
> >
> > Maybe he wants to have our bugzilla and upstreams bugzilla connected, so
> > that the developer can directly talk to the reporter and propose a fix,
> > that the maintainer can submit to the testing repos.
> > Not a bad idea.
>
> Yeah exactly, I wasn't suggesting that the maintainer should act as a
> proxy between user and upstream developer (that would be insane).

Right, but this is what I am currently spending a lot of my time on.

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Old 02-07-2010, 01:15 AM
Karel Klic
 
Default ABRT unusable again

Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus wrote:
>> However, in the meantime I stopped reporting crashes via ABRT because I
>> think it raises the load for a package maintainer to high while the
>> report should go directly to upstream. Bothering the maintainer first
>> instead of upstream is not the right thing to do.
>
> +1, in fact that's the biggest design failure in ABRT (in its current state)
> and basically makes it useless. Gathering backtraces is something that needs
> to be handled by upstream projects (like KDE does with KCrash/DrKonqi), not
> distributions.

Some maintainers fix crashes in their packages and then send the fixes
to the upstream, and some don't. Some crashes are caused by
distribution-specific environment, and some are not It's not clear
whether we should report crashes directly to the upstream.

For some packages, reporting upstream could work well (Firefox,
OpenOffice.org come to my mind). However, many packages have
unresponsive/dead upstream, upstream without issue tracker etc.

See rhbz#532307 for a beautiful example of cross-package bugfixing,
which is very hard to do in upstream. At least eight applications will
be fixed at the end (e.g. #542277, #547030, #550165, #558329, #561592,
#561059)

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