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Old 01-28-2010, 12:17 PM
Steve Dickson
 
Default Bewa Thunderbird (ver 3.0.1) CORRUPTS all email state

BEWARE!

[Bug 559312] thunderbird corrupts mail indices (Old mail marked as new)
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559312

For the last 24hrs all my mail state (read/unread, all tags) have
been completely destroyed. DO NOT upgrade to version 3.0.1!!!

Most of us really take pride in making sure what we push out to
the community has been tested and will not be disruptive
or destructive. Then there a small group of people that simply
don't give a damn what they push out or the havoc they cause.
This makes the *entire* community look like crap...

My goal here is twofold. One alert everyone that your mail will
be destroyed if you upgrade to 3.0.1 and to shine light on
shoddy work in hopes they will take pride in one, fixing the
problem ASAP and two change their process so things like
stop happen...

IMHO... events like this is the reason why Linux (Fedora explicitly)
is having such a hard time being accepted the mainstream....

steved.

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Old 01-28-2010, 12:25 PM
Parag N(पराग़)
 
Default Bewa Thunderbird (ver 3.0.1) CORRUPTS all email state

Hi,
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com> wrote:
> BEWARE!
>
> [Bug 559312] thunderbird corrupts mail indices (Old mail marked as new)
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559312
>
> For the last 24hrs all my mail state (read/unread, all tags) have
> been completely destroyed. DO NOT upgrade to version 3.0.1!!!
>
> Most of us really take pride in making sure what we push out to
> the community has been tested and will not be disruptive
> or destructive. Then there a small group of people that simply
> don't give a damn what they push out or the havoc they cause.
> This makes the *entire* community look like crap...

Ah! I have already updated Thunderbird and observing this really
strange behavior since last 2 days.

>
> My goal here is twofold. One alert everyone that your mail will
> be destroyed if you upgrade to 3.0.1 and to shine light on
> shoddy work in hopes they will take pride in one, fixing the
> problem ASAP and two change their process so things like
> stop happen...
>
> IMHO... events like this is the reason why Linux (Fedora explicitly)
> is having such a hard time being accepted the mainstream....

Anyway, thanks for this information and hope to see fix soon.

Regards,
Parag.
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Old 01-28-2010, 12:29 PM
Alex Hudson
 
Default Bewa Thunderbird (ver 3.0.1) CORRUPTS all email state

I don't usually throw in my 2p on subjective issues like this, but...

On 28/01/10 13:17, Steve Dickson wrote:
> Most of us really take pride in making sure what we push out to
> the community has been tested and will not be disruptive
> or destructive. Then there a small group of people that simply
> don't give a damn what they push out or the havoc they cause.
> This makes the *entire* community look like crap...
>

I think it's a bit unfair to assume less than good faith on the part of
other developers.

I'm running 3.0.1 right now, I run it pretty hard on some large accounts
and with a variety of mail servers (dovecot for one). I haven't seen
anything like this bug, on any machines I run.

I think it's super-helpful for you to point out potentially really
horrible bugs like this, and I applaud that. But, even though I'm
guessing every tbird 3.0.01 user you've spoken to you has told you it's
eaten their mail, it doesn't seem to have happened here and I would bet
there are other users for whom it's working great. I don't think this is
a case of just "pushing out crap".

Cheers

Alex.

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Old 01-28-2010, 12:45 PM
Jeffrey Ollie
 
Default Bewa Thunderbird (ver 3.0.1) CORRUPTS all email state

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Alex Hudson <fedora@alexhudson.com> wrote:
>
> I think it's a bit unfair to assume less than good faith on the part of
> other developers.

Amen... I too use Thunderbird daily (including 3.0.1) and I have not
seen these issues either. Although it does appear that the update
bypassed updates-testing and went straight to updates. The notes seem
to indicate security fixes but there are no links to any bugs...

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F12/FEDORA-2010-0904

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Old 01-28-2010, 12:58 PM
Nikola Pajkovsky
 
Default Bewa Thunderbird (ver 3.0.1) CORRUPTS all email state

Dne 28.1.2010 14:17, Steve Dickson napsal(a):
> BEWARE!
>
> [Bug 559312] thunderbird corrupts mail indices (Old mail marked as new)
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559312
>
> For the last 24hrs all my mail state (read/unread, all tags) have
> been completely destroyed. DO NOT upgrade to version 3.0.1!!!
>
> Most of us really take pride in making sure what we push out to
> the community has been tested and will not be disruptive
> or destructive. Then there a small group of people that simply
> don't give a damn what they push out or the havoc they cause.
> This makes the *entire* community look like crap...
>
> My goal here is twofold. One alert everyone that your mail will
> be destroyed if you upgrade to 3.0.1 and to shine light on
> shoddy work in hopes they will take pride in one, fixing the
> problem ASAP and two change their process so things like
> stop happen...
>
> IMHO... events like this is the reason why Linux (Fedora explicitly)
> is having such a hard time being accepted the mainstream....
>
> steved.
>

Same issue. It's solved in thunderbird 3.1a1.

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Old 01-28-2010, 01:07 PM
Paul Howarth
 
Default Bewa Thunderbird (ver 3.0.1) CORRUPTS all email state

On 28/01/10 13:17, Steve Dickson wrote:
> BEWARE!
>
> [Bug 559312] thunderbird corrupts mail indices (Old mail marked as new)
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559312
>
> For the last 24hrs all my mail state (read/unread, all tags) have
> been completely destroyed. DO NOT upgrade to version 3.0.1!!!
>
> Most of us really take pride in making sure what we push out to
> the community has been tested and will not be disruptive
> or destructive. Then there a small group of people that simply
> don't give a damn what they push out or the havoc they cause.
> This makes the *entire* community look like crap...
>
> My goal here is twofold. One alert everyone that your mail will
> be destroyed if you upgrade to 3.0.1 and to shine light on
> shoddy work in hopes they will take pride in one, fixing the
> problem ASAP and two change their process so things like
> stop happen...
>
> IMHO... events like this is the reason why Linux (Fedora explicitly)
> is having such a hard time being accepted the mainstream....

Disabling CONDSTORE works around the problem for me.

http://pol.spurious.biz/blog/plugin/tag/condstore

Paul.

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Old 01-28-2010, 01:45 PM
Mike McGrath
 
Default Bewa Thunderbird (ver 3.0.1) CORRUPTS all email state

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Steve Dickson wrote:

> BEWARE!
>
> [Bug 559312] thunderbird corrupts mail indices (Old mail marked as new)
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559312
>
> For the last 24hrs all my mail state (read/unread, all tags) have
> been completely destroyed. DO NOT upgrade to version 3.0.1!!!
>
> Most of us really take pride in making sure what we push out to
> the community has been tested and will not be disruptive
> or destructive. Then there a small group of people that simply
> don't give a damn what they push out or the havoc they cause.
> This makes the *entire* community look like crap...
>
> My goal here is twofold. One alert everyone that your mail will
> be destroyed if you upgrade to 3.0.1 and to shine light on
> shoddy work in hopes they will take pride in one, fixing the
> problem ASAP and two change their process so things like
> stop happen...
>
> IMHO... events like this is the reason why Linux (Fedora explicitly)
> is having such a hard time being accepted the mainstream....
>

This one's tricky, what checks could have been in place to prevent this?
Additional testing may not have worked as some people say they aren't
seeing the issue. The real tricky part is 3.0.1 is the release upstream
is recommending to users as well:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

-Mike
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:53 PM
Steve Dickson
 
Default Bewa Thunderbird (ver 3.0.1) CORRUPTS all email state

On 01/28/2010 09:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Steve Dickson wrote:
>
>> BEWARE!
>>
>> [Bug 559312] thunderbird corrupts mail indices (Old mail marked as new)
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559312
>>
>> For the last 24hrs all my mail state (read/unread, all tags) have
>> been completely destroyed. DO NOT upgrade to version 3.0.1!!!
>>
>> Most of us really take pride in making sure what we push out to
>> the community has been tested and will not be disruptive
>> or destructive. Then there a small group of people that simply
>> don't give a damn what they push out or the havoc they cause.
>> This makes the *entire* community look like crap...
>>
>> My goal here is twofold. One alert everyone that your mail will
>> be destroyed if you upgrade to 3.0.1 and to shine light on
>> shoddy work in hopes they will take pride in one, fixing the
>> problem ASAP and two change their process so things like
>> stop happen...
>>
>> IMHO... events like this is the reason why Linux (Fedora explicitly)
>> is having such a hard time being accepted the mainstream....
>>
>
> This one's tricky, what checks could have been in place to prevent this?
I don't know... since I'm not a developer of this technology just
a user... But there has to be some way they can to stop major
problems like this happening... Lets not forget the 3.0 beta release
that was pushed in early F-12 that sucked up 100% of the cpu due to
some new type of indexing... So there is a pattern here...

steved.
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:57 PM
Michael Cronenworth
 
Default Bewa Thunderbird (ver 3.0.1) CORRUPTS all email state

Mike McGrath on 01/28/2010 08:45 AM wrote:
> This one's tricky, what checks could have been in place to prevent this?
> Additional testing may not have worked as some people say they aren't
> seeing the issue.

It (should) be only IMAP users who are affected. Not every TB user is
using IMAP. I see this bug myself (IMAP user).

There have been Firefox updates with bugs in them, too. We were lucky
they have been Windows related. Fast-tracking FF and TB updates as
"security fixes" without QA needs some review, IMHO.
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:00 PM
Steve Dickson
 
Default Bewa Thunderbird (ver 3.0.1) CORRUPTS all email state

On 01/28/2010 08:29 AM, Alex Hudson wrote:
> I don't usually throw in my 2p on subjective issues like this, but...
>
> On 28/01/10 13:17, Steve Dickson wrote:
>> Most of us really take pride in making sure what we push out to
>> the community has been tested and will not be disruptive
>> or destructive. Then there a small group of people that simply
>> don't give a damn what they push out or the havoc they cause.
>> This makes the *entire* community look like crap...
>>
>
> I think it's a bit unfair to assume less than good faith on the part of
> other developers.
Maybe... but it sure seems like this is a systemic problem..

>
> I'm running 3.0.1 right now, I run it pretty hard on some large accounts
> and with a variety of mail servers (dovecot for one). I haven't seen
> anything like this bug, on any machines I run.
>
> I think it's super-helpful for you to point out potentially really
> horrible bugs like this, and I applaud that. But, even though I'm
> guessing every tbird 3.0.01 user you've spoken to you has told you it's
> eaten their mail, it doesn't seem to have happened here and I would bet
> there are other users for whom it's working great. I don't think this is
> a case of just "pushing out crap".
I guess I have a different definition of crap... ;-)

I have been on both sides of these bugs... So I know (the hard way)
when you push something out that breaks existing configurations, its crap!

steved.
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