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Old 01-27-2010, 08:33 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default abrt not working in current Rawhide?

Just checking if I'm the only one - I can't find a bug report, though
I'll probably file one. abrt doesn't seem to work in current Rawhide.
The daemon and applet both claim to be running, but I never get an abrt
pop-up when anything crashes (which happens a lot in current Rawhide...)

I think I have all necessary packages installed:

[adamw@adam ~]$ rpm -qa | grep abrt
abrt-plugin-sosreport-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-gui-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-plugin-catcut-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-addon-ccpp-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-plugin-runapp-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-plugin-bugzilla-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-addon-kerneloops-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-plugin-ticketuploader-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-plugin-logger-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-libs-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-addon-python-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
abrt-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64

let me know if anything seems to be missing. thanks.
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Old 01-27-2010, 08:46 PM
Jiri Moskovcak
 
Default abrt not working in current Rawhide?

Unfortunately it doesn't because of this:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557386

Jirka

On 01/27/2010 10:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Just checking if I'm the only one - I can't find a bug report, though
> I'll probably file one. abrt doesn't seem to work in current Rawhide.
> The daemon and applet both claim to be running, but I never get an abrt
> pop-up when anything crashes (which happens a lot in current Rawhide...)
>
> I think I have all necessary packages installed:
>
> [adamw@adam ~]$ rpm -qa | grep abrt
> abrt-plugin-sosreport-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> abrt-gui-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> abrt-plugin-catcut-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> abrt-addon-ccpp-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> abrt-plugin-runapp-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> abrt-plugin-bugzilla-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> abrt-addon-kerneloops-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> abrt-plugin-ticketuploader-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> abrt-plugin-logger-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> abrt-libs-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> abrt-addon-python-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> abrt-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>
> let me know if anything seems to be missing. thanks.

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Old 01-27-2010, 08:47 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default abrt not working in current Rawhide?

Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
> Just checking if I'm the only one - I can't find a bug report, though
> I'll probably file one. abrt doesn't seem to work in current Rawhide.
> The daemon and applet both claim to be running, but I never get an abrt
> pop-up when anything crashes (which happens a lot in current Rawhide...)

Incompatiblity with the 2.6.32 kernel (it's in bugzilla).

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Old 01-28-2010, 12:03 AM
Neil Horman
 
Default abrt not working in current Rawhide?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:46:33PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> Unfortunately it doesn't because of this:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557386
>
> Jirka
>
Bear in mind, Abrt could have fixed this any time in the past few weeks, they've
just chosen not to. Jiri, you and I agreed that you would pursue a user space
correction for this that I laid out for you if I proposed a kernel space
solution. I can't help but notice you seem to have tossed that asside.
Neil

> On 01/27/2010 10:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Just checking if I'm the only one - I can't find a bug report, though
> > I'll probably file one. abrt doesn't seem to work in current Rawhide.
> > The daemon and applet both claim to be running, but I never get an abrt
> > pop-up when anything crashes (which happens a lot in current Rawhide...)
> >
> > I think I have all necessary packages installed:
> >
> > [adamw@adam ~]$ rpm -qa | grep abrt
> > abrt-plugin-sosreport-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> > abrt-gui-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> > abrt-plugin-catcut-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> > abrt-addon-ccpp-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> > abrt-plugin-runapp-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> > abrt-plugin-bugzilla-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> > abrt-addon-kerneloops-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> > abrt-plugin-ticketuploader-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> > abrt-plugin-logger-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> > abrt-libs-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> > abrt-addon-python-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> > abrt-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
> >
> > let me know if anything seems to be missing. thanks.
>

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Old 01-28-2010, 08:55 AM
Jiri Moskovcak
 
Default abrt not working in current Rawhide?

On 01/28/2010 02:03 AM, Neil Horman wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:46:33PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
>> Unfortunately it doesn't because of this:
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557386
>>
>> Jirka
>>
> Bear in mind, Abrt could have fixed this any time in the past few weeks, they've
> just chosen not to. Jiri, you and I agreed that you would pursue a user space
> correction for this that I laid out for you if I proposed a kernel space
> solution. I can't help but notice you seem to have tossed that asside.
> Neil
>

Yes, I decided not to implement it, because I discussed the proposed
solution with few other engineers and nobody likes it and the
security/selinux guys wouldn't like it also. Please don't take me wrong,
the solution you've proposed is just a few lines of code, so it's not a
big problem to write it, but it's just a temporary workaround and would
require changing the selinux policy and to make it work fine. We can
take a vote and if there is enough people to support it then I' write
it, but I don't writing something to /proc/<pid>/ is a good idea.

Jirka

>> On 01/27/2010 10:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>> Just checking if I'm the only one - I can't find a bug report, though
>>> I'll probably file one. abrt doesn't seem to work in current Rawhide.
>>> The daemon and applet both claim to be running, but I never get an abrt
>>> pop-up when anything crashes (which happens a lot in current Rawhide...)
>>>
>>> I think I have all necessary packages installed:
>>>
>>> [adamw@adam ~]$ rpm -qa | grep abrt
>>> abrt-plugin-sosreport-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>>> abrt-gui-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>>> abrt-plugin-catcut-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>>> abrt-addon-ccpp-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>>> abrt-plugin-runapp-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>>> abrt-plugin-bugzilla-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>>> abrt-addon-kerneloops-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>>> abrt-plugin-ticketuploader-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>>> abrt-plugin-logger-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>>> abrt-libs-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>>> abrt-addon-python-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>>> abrt-1.0.4-1.fc13.x86_64
>>>
>>> let me know if anything seems to be missing. thanks.
>>
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Old 01-28-2010, 11:02 AM
Neil Horman
 
Default abrt not working in current Rawhide?

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:55:47AM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> On 01/28/2010 02:03 AM, Neil Horman wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:46:33PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> >> Unfortunately it doesn't because of this:
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557386
> >>
> >> Jirka
> >>
> > Bear in mind, Abrt could have fixed this any time in the past few weeks, they've
> > just chosen not to. Jiri, you and I agreed that you would pursue a user space
> > correction for this that I laid out for you if I proposed a kernel space
> > solution. I can't help but notice you seem to have tossed that asside.
> > Neil
> >
>
> Yes, I decided not to implement it, because I discussed the proposed
> solution with few other engineers and nobody likes it and the
> security/selinux guys wouldn't like it also. Please don't take me wrong,
> the solution you've proposed is just a few lines of code, so it's not a
> big problem to write it, but it's just a temporary workaround and would
> require changing the selinux policy and to make it work fine. We can
> take a vote and if there is enough people to support it then I' write
> it, but I don't writing something to /proc/<pid>/ is a good idea.
>
> Jirka

Well, thanks for comming to a conclusion about this without bothering to bring
it back up with me, thats fantastic. The bottom line is, you saw that I was
willing to try do what you wanted me to do, and concluded that you didn't need
to do what I had asked you to do. Thats a lousy way to behave.
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Old 01-28-2010, 11:17 AM
Jiri Moskovcak
 
Default abrt not working in current Rawhide?

On 01/28/2010 01:02 PM, Neil Horman wrote:

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:55:47AM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:

On 01/28/2010 02:03 AM, Neil Horman wrote:

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:46:33PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:

Unfortunately it doesn't because of this:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557386

Jirka


Bear in mind, Abrt could have fixed this any time in the past few weeks, they've
just chosen not to. Jiri, you and I agreed that you would pursue a user space
correction for this that I laid out for you if I proposed a kernel space
solution. I can't help but notice you seem to have tossed that asside.
Neil



Yes, I decided not to implement it, because I discussed the proposed
solution with few other engineers and nobody likes it and the
security/selinux guys wouldn't like it also. Please don't take me wrong,
the solution you've proposed is just a few lines of code, so it's not a
big problem to write it, but it's just a temporary workaround and would
require changing the selinux policy and to make it work fine. We can
take a vote and if there is enough people to support it then I' write
it, but I don't writing something to /proc/<pid>/ is a good idea.

Jirka


Well, thanks for comming to a conclusion about this without bothering to bring
it back up with me, thats fantastic. The bottom line is, you saw that I was
willing to try do what you wanted me to do, and concluded that you didn't need
to do what I had asked you to do. Thats a lousy way to behave.
Neil



I'm sorry that you feel that way, but what would it change anyway? I
already told you my concerns about that on irc, yes I said I'll
implement it, but before that I went to discuss it with some of my
colleagues and no-one likes it for the same reasons I already told you,
so what would be the point of repeating the same if I already knew your
opinion?


J.
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:25 PM
Neil Horman
 
Default abrt not working in current Rawhide?

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 01:17:08PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> On 01/28/2010 01:02 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
> >On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:55:47AM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> >>On 01/28/2010 02:03 AM, Neil Horman wrote:
> >>>On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:46:33PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> >>>>Unfortunately it doesn't because of this:
> >>>>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557386
> >>>>
> >>>>Jirka
> >>>>
> >>>Bear in mind, Abrt could have fixed this any time in the past few weeks, they've
> >>>just chosen not to. Jiri, you and I agreed that you would pursue a user space
> >>>correction for this that I laid out for you if I proposed a kernel space
> >>>solution. I can't help but notice you seem to have tossed that asside.
> >>>Neil
> >>>
> >>
> >>Yes, I decided not to implement it, because I discussed the proposed
> >>solution with few other engineers and nobody likes it and the
> >>security/selinux guys wouldn't like it also. Please don't take me wrong,
> >>the solution you've proposed is just a few lines of code, so it's not a
> >>big problem to write it, but it's just a temporary workaround and would
> >>require changing the selinux policy and to make it work fine. We can
> >>take a vote and if there is enough people to support it then I' write
> >>it, but I don't writing something to /proc/<pid>/ is a good idea.
> >>
> >>Jirka
> >
> >Well, thanks for comming to a conclusion about this without bothering to bring
> >it back up with me, thats fantastic. The bottom line is, you saw that I was
> >willing to try do what you wanted me to do, and concluded that you didn't need
> >to do what I had asked you to do. Thats a lousy way to behave.
> >Neil
> >
>
> I'm sorry that you feel that way, but what would it change anyway? I
> already told you my concerns about that on irc, yes I said I'll
> implement it, but before that I went to discuss it with some of my
> colleagues and no-one likes it for the same reasons I already told
> you,
> so what would be the point of repeating the same if I already knew
> your opinion?
>
Because you told me you would, on irc we discussed it, you told me your
concerns, I told you my thoughts on it, and we agreed that it was worth
implementing. The fact that your collegues there agreed with you doesn't give
you leave to conclude that this is my problem to fix, and just disregard what
you said you would do. If it did, I would just assert that some
co-workers here agree with my opinion and stop working on any solution you asked
me to. I have half a mind to do exactly that.


> J.

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Old 01-28-2010, 01:38 PM
Jiri Moskovcak
 
Default abrt not working in current Rawhide?

On 01/28/2010 03:25 PM, Neil Horman wrote:

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 01:17:08PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:

On 01/28/2010 01:02 PM, Neil Horman wrote:

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:55:47AM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:

On 01/28/2010 02:03 AM, Neil Horman wrote:

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:46:33PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:

Unfortunately it doesn't because of this:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557386

Jirka


Bear in mind, Abrt could have fixed this any time in the past few weeks, they've
just chosen not to. Jiri, you and I agreed that you would pursue a user space
correction for this that I laid out for you if I proposed a kernel space
solution. I can't help but notice you seem to have tossed that asside.
Neil



Yes, I decided not to implement it, because I discussed the proposed
solution with few other engineers and nobody likes it and the
security/selinux guys wouldn't like it also. Please don't take me wrong,
the solution you've proposed is just a few lines of code, so it's not a
big problem to write it, but it's just a temporary workaround and would
require changing the selinux policy and to make it work fine. We can
take a vote and if there is enough people to support it then I' write
it, but I don't writing something to /proc/<pid>/ is a good idea.

Jirka


Well, thanks for comming to a conclusion about this without bothering to bring
it back up with me, thats fantastic. The bottom line is, you saw that I was
willing to try do what you wanted me to do, and concluded that you didn't need
to do what I had asked you to do. Thats a lousy way to behave.
Neil



I'm sorry that you feel that way, but what would it change anyway? I
already told you my concerns about that on irc, yes I said I'll
implement it, but before that I went to discuss it with some of my
colleagues and no-one likes it for the same reasons I already told
you,
so what would be the point of repeating the same if I already knew
your opinion?


Because you told me you would, on irc we discussed it, you told me your
concerns, I told you my thoughts on it, and we agreed that it was worth
implementing. The fact that your collegues there agreed with you doesn't give
you leave to conclude that this is my problem to fix, and just disregard what
you said you would do. If it did, I would just assert that some
co-workers here agree with my opinion and stop working on any solution you asked
me to. I have half a mind to do exactly that.




C'mon do we really need to make this into a fight? The reason why I
didn't implement it is that it would be temporary anyway and thus
doesn't worth the work, because it's not just that 10 lines of code on
ABRT side, it gets more people from different teams involved, so that's
why I decided not to do it. Yes, I should told you that and I'm really
sorry I didn't.


Jirka


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Old 01-28-2010, 02:21 PM
Neil Horman
 
Default abrt not working in current Rawhide?

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 03:38:27PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> On 01/28/2010 03:25 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
> >On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 01:17:08PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> >>On 01/28/2010 01:02 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
> >>>On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:55:47AM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> >>>>On 01/28/2010 02:03 AM, Neil Horman wrote:
> >>>>>On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:46:33PM +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> >>>>>>Unfortunately it doesn't because of this:
> >>>>>>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557386
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Jirka
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Bear in mind, Abrt could have fixed this any time in the past few weeks, they've
> >>>>>just chosen not to. Jiri, you and I agreed that you would pursue a user space
> >>>>>correction for this that I laid out for you if I proposed a kernel space
> >>>>>solution. I can't help but notice you seem to have tossed that asside.
> >>>>>Neil
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Yes, I decided not to implement it, because I discussed the proposed
> >>>>solution with few other engineers and nobody likes it and the
> >>>>security/selinux guys wouldn't like it also. Please don't take me wrong,
> >>>>the solution you've proposed is just a few lines of code, so it's not a
> >>>>big problem to write it, but it's just a temporary workaround and would
> >>>>require changing the selinux policy and to make it work fine. We can
> >>>>take a vote and if there is enough people to support it then I' write
> >>>>it, but I don't writing something to /proc/<pid>/ is a good idea.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jirka
> >>>
> >>>Well, thanks for comming to a conclusion about this without bothering to bring
> >>>it back up with me, thats fantastic. The bottom line is, you saw that I was
> >>>willing to try do what you wanted me to do, and concluded that you didn't need
> >>>to do what I had asked you to do. Thats a lousy way to behave.
> >>>Neil
> >>>
> >>
> >>I'm sorry that you feel that way, but what would it change anyway? I
> >>already told you my concerns about that on irc, yes I said I'll
> >>implement it, but before that I went to discuss it with some of my
> >>colleagues and no-one likes it for the same reasons I already told
> >>you,
> >>so what would be the point of repeating the same if I already knew
> >>your opinion?
> >>
> >Because you told me you would, on irc we discussed it, you told me your
> >concerns, I told you my thoughts on it, and we agreed that it was worth
> >implementing. The fact that your collegues there agreed with you doesn't give
> >you leave to conclude that this is my problem to fix, and just disregard what
> >you said you would do. If it did, I would just assert that some
> >co-workers here agree with my opinion and stop working on any solution you asked
> >me to. I have half a mind to do exactly that.
> >
> >
>
> C'mon do we really need to make this into a fight? The reason why I
> didn't implement it is that it would be temporary anyway and thus
> doesn't worth the work, because it's not just that 10 lines of code
> on ABRT side, it gets more people from different teams involved, so
> that's why I decided not to do it. Yes, I should told you that and
> I'm really sorry I didn't.
>
Apparently we have different recollections of what we discussed.
Neil

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