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Old 01-20-2010, 12:16 PM
Valent Turkovic
 
Default virt-manager needs finishing polish

After posting my initial blog post
(http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-virtualization-has-rough-edges/)
and through discussion in comments and also in reported bugs I saw the
great potential of virt-manager on Fedora as desktop virtualization
tool that could replace likes of VMWare and VirtualBox but it needed
some UI and usability polish.

Please take use case of installing Fedora or Ubuntu in virt-manager as
benchmarks or ease of use for new users. How easy/hard is it to
install Fedora/Ubuntu as virtual machines in virt-manager? Any install
issues? How well do they work? Etc...

I covered some of that in my previously mentioned blog post and came
to some later what would make virt-manager easier to use.
After looking more deeply in virt-manager it UI indeed looks a bit
clunky and assumes you are familiar with the way it works, not user
friendly for new users.

For new users of virt-manager it would be great if somehow more
emphasized in UI is done on explaining that there are these things
called "storage pools" and also that there are two storage pools by
default; one in /var and other in /home directory.

Fedora community has educated me to put any suggestions as
constructive as possible and I did that in two RFEs and hope they are
seeded in fertile soil and that developers see opportunity to improve
usability of virt-manager

Here are two RFEs, please comment on them:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557103
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557107

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Old 01-20-2010, 12:23 PM
Stephen Gallagher
 
Default virt-manager needs finishing polish

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On 01/20/2010 08:16 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote:
> After posting my initial blog post
> (http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-virtualization-has-rough-edges/)
> and through discussion in comments and also in reported bugs I saw the
> great potential of virt-manager on Fedora as desktop virtualization
> tool that could replace likes of VMWare and VirtualBox but it needed
> some UI and usability polish.
>
> Please take use case of installing Fedora or Ubuntu in virt-manager as
> benchmarks or ease of use for new users. How easy/hard is it to
> install Fedora/Ubuntu as virtual machines in virt-manager? Any install
> issues? How well do they work? Etc...
>
> I covered some of that in my previously mentioned blog post and came
> to some later what would make virt-manager easier to use.
> After looking more deeply in virt-manager it UI indeed looks a bit
> clunky and assumes you are familiar with the way it works, not user
> friendly for new users.
>
> For new users of virt-manager it would be great if somehow more
> emphasized in UI is done on explaining that there are these things
> called "storage pools" and also that there are two storage pools by
> default; one in /var and other in /home directory.
>
> Fedora community has educated me to put any suggestions as
> constructive as possible and I did that in two RFEs and hope they are
> seeded in fertile soil and that developers see opportunity to improve
> usability of virt-manager
>
> Here are two RFEs, please comment on them:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557103
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557107
>
> Cheers!

You probably want to cross-post this to virt@lists.fedoraproject.org
That might be a more focused discussion list.

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Old 01-20-2010, 12:38 PM
Valent Turkovic
 
Default virt-manager needs finishing polish

Thank you for your suggestion.
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Old 01-20-2010, 02:20 PM
"Daniel P. Berrange"
 
Default virt-manager needs finishing polish

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 08:23:23AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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>
> On 01/20/2010 08:16 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > After posting my initial blog post
> > (http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-virtualization-has-rough-edges/)
> > and through discussion in comments and also in reported bugs I saw the
> > great potential of virt-manager on Fedora as desktop virtualization
> > tool that could replace likes of VMWare and VirtualBox but it needed
> > some UI and usability polish.
> >
> > Please take use case of installing Fedora or Ubuntu in virt-manager as
> > benchmarks or ease of use for new users. How easy/hard is it to
> > install Fedora/Ubuntu as virtual machines in virt-manager? Any install
> > issues? How well do they work? Etc...
> >
> > I covered some of that in my previously mentioned blog post and came
> > to some later what would make virt-manager easier to use.
> > After looking more deeply in virt-manager it UI indeed looks a bit
> > clunky and assumes you are familiar with the way it works, not user
> > friendly for new users.
> >
> > For new users of virt-manager it would be great if somehow more
> > emphasized in UI is done on explaining that there are these things
> > called "storage pools" and also that there are two storage pools by
> > default; one in /var and other in /home directory.
> >
> > Fedora community has educated me to put any suggestions as
> > constructive as possible and I did that in two RFEs and hope they are
> > seeded in fertile soil and that developers see opportunity to improve
> > usability of virt-manager
> >
> > Here are two RFEs, please comment on them:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557103
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557107
> >
> > Cheers!
>
> You probably want to cross-post this to virt@lists.fedoraproject.org
> That might be a more focused discussion list.

It is better to take it to the virt-manager development list.

http://virt-manager.org/mailinglist.html

Fedora isn't the place to be re-designing apps, it needs to be discussed
with the upstream community

Regards,
Daniel
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