In F12 we shipped yum-presto in @gnome-desktop - a kind of a compromise I guess.
Presto/deltarpm is very useful for machines with low net connectivity to mirrors
but enough resources to rebuild rpms.

But yum-presto is not a desktop package at all and certainly does not
belong in the gnome-desktop group. [1]

Perhaps the right approach for f13 is to install yum-presto by default
but to disable it by default? Lighter compression might also
help to reduce the resource requirements for older machines?

Jens

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=549659

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On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 04:44 -0500, Jens Petersen wrote:
> In F12 we shipped yum-presto in @gnome-desktop - a kind of a compromise I guess.
> Presto/deltarpm is very useful for machines with low net connectivity to mirrors
> but enough resources to rebuild rpms.
>
> But yum-presto is not a desktop package at all and certainly does not
> belong in the gnome-desktop group.
>
> Perhaps the right approach for f13 is to install yum-presto by default
> but to disable it by default?

It looks like there are a couple of questions to deal with:
1) yum-presto is in @gnome-desktop and shouldn't be
2) yum-presto is enabled by default

If we don't want (2), then remove it from @gnome-desktop. People who
need/want it can install it using "yum install yum-presto", and it will
start working immediately.

If we do want (2), then we just need to work out how to fix (1). If not
@gnome-desktop (which is probably not where it belongs), then possibly
@base?

FWIW, my opinion on (2) (as the yum-presto maintainer) is that it should
be installed by default, but I'm obviously biased.

> Lighter compression might also help to reduce the resource
> requirements for older machines?

IIRC we've already reduced the xz compression level in our rpms from 7
to 2. (See http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-devel-list/2009-09/msg00946.html)

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On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 04:44 -0500, Jens Petersen wrote:
> In F12 we shipped yum-presto in @gnome-desktop - a kind of a compromise I guess.
> Presto/deltarpm is very useful for machines with low net connectivity to mirrors
> but enough resources to rebuild rpms.
>
> But yum-presto is not a desktop package at all and certainly does not
> belong in the gnome-desktop group. [1]
>
> Perhaps the right approach for f13 is to install yum-presto by default
> but to disable it by default? Lighter compression might also
> help to reduce the resource requirements for older machines?
>

I don't think that there really is something to fix here, and I don't
know that I can make you happy. If I do the customization in the
kickstart file, you complain as well (see PK-command-not-found)....

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Jens Petersen wrote:
> In F12 we shipped yum-presto in @gnome-desktop - a kind of a compromise I
> guess. Presto/deltarpm is very useful for machines with low net
> connectivity to mirrors but enough resources to rebuild rpms.
>
> But yum-presto is not a desktop package at all and certainly does not
> belong in the gnome-desktop group. [1]

+1

In fact, we voted in FESCo that it should be added to one of the base groups
instead (@base, I guess). It makes no sense to have it in @gnome-desktop nor
in the KDE .ks file (which is where it is at the moment – for KDE, it's in
the .ks because we refused to add it to @kde-desktop as it has nothing to do
with KDE).

Kevin Kofler

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On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:42:06 +0100
Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@chello.at> wrote:

> Jens Petersen wrote:
> > In F12 we shipped yum-presto in @gnome-desktop - a kind of a
> > compromise I guess. Presto/deltarpm is very useful for machines
> > with low net connectivity to mirrors but enough resources to
> > rebuild rpms.
> >
> > But yum-presto is not a desktop package at all and certainly does
> > not belong in the gnome-desktop group. [1]
>
> +1
>
> In fact, we voted in FESCo that it should be added to one of the base
> groups instead (@base, I guess). It makes no sense to have it in
> @gnome-desktop nor in the KDE .ks file (which is where it is at the
> moment – for KDE, it's in the .ks because we refused to add it to
> @kde-desktop as it has nothing to do with KDE).

I guess I would be fine with it being in @base or something.

We can always - it in the Xfce kickstart or any other spin that doesn't
want it by default.

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> I guess I would be fine with it being in @base or something.

Just wondered does it have any implications for mock?

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 05:17:20AM -0500, Jens Petersen wrote:
> > I guess I would be fine with it being in @base or something.
>
> Just wondered does it have any implications for mock?

Mock uses the buildsys-build group iirc.

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I meant to add that the reason this came up was I was trying to work out
where to put yum-langpacks in comps: yum-presto being one of the reference
packages I searched for.

So where can/should yum-langpacks live?

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Kevin Kofler (kevin.kofler@chello.at) said:
> +1
>
> In fact, we voted in FESCo that it should be added to one of the base groups
> instead (@base, I guess). It makes no sense to have it in @gnome-desktop nor
> in the KDE .ks file (which is where it is at the moment – for KDE, it's in
> the .ks because we refused to add it to @kde-desktop as it has nothing to do
> with KDE).

OK, fixed.

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Jens Petersen (petersen@redhat.com) said:
> I meant to add that the reason this came up was I was trying to work out
> where to put yum-langpacks in comps: yum-presto being one of the reference
> packages I searched for.
>
> So where can/should yum-langpacks live?

Probably in base. Now whether it would be default or optional....

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