One of the complaints heard during the last release cycle was that some
maintainers where unclear what all the schedule milestones meant.


Before we reach any of these milestones for Fedora 13 I wanted to send
this out for feedback. What I have created represents our current
process as I understand it. Hopefully people on the list will have
enough courage to speak up if they disagree ;-)


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Poelstra/Key_Milestones

Are there any other milestones missing that we need to describe?

Once we get closer to these milestones advanced reminders will be sent
to fedora-devel-announce for them.


Thanks,
John

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On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:17 PM, John Poelstra <poelstra@redhat.com> wrote:
> One of the complaints heard during the last release cycle was that some
> maintainers where unclear what all the schedule milestones meant.
>
> Before we reach any of these milestones for Fedora 13 I wanted to send this
> out for feedback. *What I have created represents our current process as I
> understand it. *Hopefully people on the list will have enough courage to
> speak up if they disagree ;-)
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Poelstra/Key_Milestones
>
> Are there any other milestones missing that we need to describe?
>
> Once we get closer to these milestones advanced reminders will be sent to
> fedora-devel-announce for them.

I think there should also be a Spin Request / Approved deadlines as well.

Regards,
Peter

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On 12/18/2009 10:50 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:17 PM, John Poelstra<poelstra@redhat.com> wrote:

One of the complaints heard during the last release cycle was that some
maintainers where unclear what all the schedule milestones meant.

Before we reach any of these milestones for Fedora 13 I wanted to send this
out for feedback. What I have created represents our current process as I
understand it. Hopefully people on the list will have enough courage to
speak up if they disagree ;-)

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Poelstra/Key_Milestones

Are there any other milestones missing that we need to describe?

Once we get closer to these milestones advanced reminders will be sent to
fedora-devel-announce for them.


I think there should also be a Spin Request / Approved deadlines as well.

Regards,
Peter



Great idea. I need someone from the Spins SIG to tell me what those
dates are. It would also be really helpful to have a link to a wiki
page explaining the process I can give out when questions arise.


Thanks,
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On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:32:18 -0800,
John Poelstra <poelstra@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Great idea. I need someone from the Spins SIG to tell me what those
> dates are. It would also be really helpful to have a link to a wiki
> page explaining the process I can give out when questions arise.

I think the end of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process covers
what you want.
In theory we have a meeting in a half hour, but I don't know what the
turnout is going to be.

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On 12/21/2009 12:30 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:32:18 -0800,
John Poelstra<poelstra@redhat.com> wrote:


Great idea. I need someone from the Spins SIG to tell me what those
dates are. It would also be really helpful to have a link to a wiki
page explaining the process I can give out when questions arise.


I think the end of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process covers
what you want.
In theory we have a meeting in a half hour, but I don't know what the
turnout is going to be.


This
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process#Timeline is ambiguous about
the deadline for when spins have to be submitted (three weeks before
feature freeze or feature freeze?)


Previously Spins followed the regular "Feature Freeze" milestone. With
the introduction of a "Submission Deadline" do Spins follow this or not?


What I'd really like is for someone from the Spins SIG to reply with
what the milestones should be or update the wiki page.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Poelstra/Key_Milestones


We should also get the Spins dates into the master schedule which we
have not done before. I would need to know from the Spins SIG what task
names and tasks to reflect in the schedule. Then I can use this
information as part of the "reminder campaign" during Fedora 13.


John

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On 12/21/2009 07:32 PM, John Poelstra wrote:
> On 12/18/2009 10:50 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
>>
>> I think there should also be a Spin Request / Approved deadlines as well.
>>
> Great idea. I need someone from the Spins SIG to tell me what those
> dates are. It would also be really helpful to have a link to a wiki
> page explaining the process I can give out when questions arise.
>

As we stick close to the feature process, the Spin submission deadline
is the Feature submission deadline, and the final Approved deadline is
the Feature Freeze (which I believe is only one or two weeks later?)

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On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:37 PM, John Poelstra <poelstra@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 12/21/2009 12:30 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:32:18 -0800,
>> * John Poelstra<poelstra@redhat.com> *wrote:
>>>
>>> Great idea. *I need someone from the Spins SIG to tell me what those
>>> dates are. *It would also be really helpful to have a link to a wiki
>>> page explaining the process I can give out when questions arise.
>>
>> I think the end of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process covers
>> what you want.
>> In theory we have a meeting in a half hour, but I don't know what the
>> turnout is going to be.
>
> This
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process#Timeline is ambiguous about the
> deadline for when spins have to be submitted (three weeks before feature
> freeze or feature freeze?)
>
> Previously Spins followed the regular "Feature Freeze" milestone. *With the
> introduction of a "Submission Deadline" do Spins follow this or not?
>
> What I'd really like is for someone from the Spins SIG to reply with what
> the milestones should be or update the wiki page.
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Poelstra/Key_Milestones
>
> We should also get the Spins dates into the master schedule which we have
> not done before. *I would need to know from the Spins SIG what task names
> and tasks to reflect in the schedule. *Then I can use this information as
> part of the "reminder campaign" during Fedora 13.

The ambiguity of the spins process threw me somewhat in F-12 with
Moblin being very new to all the process (well having seen it and
never participated) as I couldn't find anything that really outlined
it well and there was nothing in the way of notifications and nothing
in the schedule. I would have thought it was submitted by alpha and
completely approved by beta (including a beta release) but even though
my wiki search skills are crap, even google never provided me with
anything close. But then I failed by not actually asking so ultimately
it was my own fault as I plain ran out of time but it would be useful
on the main schedule none the less!

Peter

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On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 01:04:32 +0000,
Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The ambiguity of the spins process threw me somewhat in F-12 with
> Moblin being very new to all the process (well having seen it and
> never participated) as I couldn't find anything that really outlined
> it well and there was nothing in the way of notifications and nothing
> in the schedule. I would have thought it was submitted by alpha and
> completely approved by beta (including a beta release) but even though
> my wiki search skills are crap, even google never provided me with
> anything close. But then I failed by not actually asking so ultimately
> it was my own fault as I plain ran out of time but it would be useful
> on the main schedule none the less!

It didn't help that the names changed for F12.

Generally getting an early start and asking lots of questions is a good idea.

If you like managing process and want to help out the Spins SIG could use
some help. Jeroen gets busy at times and a number of the rest of us are
more tech oriented and are really there because we maintain spins rather
than being about the whole spin process. I try to help a little with that,
but it's outside of what I am really looking to do. I'd rather work on
getting lzma compression used for live images or other things like that.

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Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> It didn't help that the names changed for F12.

Yeah, I think that name change was a mistake, but sadly my proposal to
revert it was voted down in FESCo.

Kevin Kofler

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