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> From: fedora-devel-list-bounces@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-devel-list-
> bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of shmuel siegel
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 02:07
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora
> Subject: Re: packages requiring me to reboot...
>
> Otto Haliburton wrote:
> >
> > Windows now
> > restarts each time a patch occurs, at the current time I can't think of
> any
> > patch in the last 3 months which hasn't required a reboot. Another
> reason is
> > that some of the windows operating systems are coming to their end of
> life
> > cycle, and windows is choosing to do a lot of patches in one update, but
> > believe me, it is startling to come in the next morning to see your
> computer
> > restarted with a message that a update was performed and you were
> restarted
> > and that occurs with all of the windows operating systems that are
> currently
> > supported.
> Please be consistent. Windows also doesn't *have* to auto restart. My
> systems are set to manual update of predownloaded files. Besides, since
> my systems are dual (or more) boot, they wouldn't auto reboot into the
> running version of windows. Would be very annoying.
>
you don't follow the list very well, and obviously didn't read the post that
this replies to so don't go around calling people inconsistent. Windows
forces you to reboot and there is no mandatory reboots in Linux and windows
does force you to restart, don't restart when it ask you and see what
happens, it will not continue without insisting that you restart. Where do
you get this crap? With windows you cannot avoid a restart. And there is no
auto-restart in windows it is auto-update and with auto-update you have no
choice it will restart for you. Try it then tell me about it.
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On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 04:11 -0600, Otto Haliburton wrote:

> you don't follow the list very well, and obviously didn't read the post that
> this replies to so don't go around calling people inconsistent. Windows
> forces you to reboot and there is no mandatory reboots in Linux and windows
> does force you to restart, don't restart when it ask you and see what
> happens, it will not continue without insisting that you restart. Where do
> you get this crap? With windows you cannot avoid a restart. And there is no
> auto-restart in windows it is auto-update and with auto-update you have no
> choice it will restart for you. Try it then tell me about it.

You're arguing from different starting points, and there's no need to be
uncivil about it. Shmuel's point is that you can disable automatic
updates on Windows (which is quite true), and hence you won't then be
forced to restart until you manually choose to install the updates.
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tor 2009-12-17 klockan 22:08 +0100 skrev nodata:

> I wish mailing list discussions were point-for-point for-and-against. It
> would be so much easier.

You can easily accomplish this by quoting only the necessary text of the
parent post and commenting between the lines.

My Evolution preview window shows 38 lines of text. When _all_ of those
are quoted text, the person who sent that mail did something wrong. (I'm
not picking on you specifically, I think it's a general problem on this
list.)

> Here is my point: Windows requires a reboot less often than Linux. Argue
> all you want, it's true.

Like has been pointed out before, Fedora does not force a reboot at all.
All it does is show an icon in the corner, telling me I need to log out
or I need to reboot. It could gain more options, like "need to restart
Firefox".

> Linux has quicker security updates than Linux. That's an advantage.
>
> ksplice can patch a running kernel...

I want suspend and resume with a new kernel. Also, ponies.

/abo


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tor 2009-12-17 klockan 20:21 +0000 skrev Ewan Mac Mahon:

> Simply killing the process is
> actually less disruptive.

Yes. Please do not send close events to my Firefox windows.

Do keep in mind that Firefox is pretty much broken and might not even be
able to show a "Do you want to restart?" dialog by the time the RPM
transaction is rolling, so if it's going to involve user interaction,
that will have to happen in the PackageKit GUI.

Another option is to make Firefox notice internally how broken it is and
try to restart itself. It would need to somehow wait until the
transaction is done, though.

/abo



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