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Old 12-30-2007, 05:05 PM
nodata
 
Default Opinions welcome: Restructuring the system menus

Am Montag, den 17.12.2007, 01:57 +0000 schrieb Jonathan Underwood:
> On 16/12/2007, Stewart Adam <s.adam@diffingo.com> wrote:
> > As well, I've got 29 applications listed under 'System Tools'. I
> > understand that not everyone does because it obviously depends on which
> > packages you have installed, but many entries do similar tasks
> > (Terminal, Konsole, Konsole Super User Mode). A lot of space could be
> > saved by putting them into a submenu.
>
> Related to this is something that is currently driving me utterly
> crazy with F-8 (not sure if this has changed in rawhide) - why do we
> have
>
> Application->System Tools and
> System->Preferences->System and
> System->Administration.
>
> Most users will not understand the distinction (if indeed there even
> is one). This is in pretty bad need of being rationalised.

+1

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Old 12-30-2007, 05:09 PM
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Am Sonntag, den 16.12.2007, 13:36 -0900 schrieb Jeff Spaleta:
> On Dec 16, 2007 10:50 AM, Stewart Adam <s.adam@diffingo.com> wrote:
> > As well, I've got 29 applications listed under 'System Tools'. I
> > understand that not everyone does because it obviously depends on which
> > packages you have installed, but many entries do similar tasks
> > (Terminal, Konsole, Konsole Super User Mode). A lot of space could be
> > saved by putting them into a submenu.
>
> submenus... by default for all usage cases? I don't think this makes
> any sense at all.

Good point. But why must a user choose a category in order to find an
application? Surely a menu is only useful if the user doesn't know what
the application is called. Surely an app can be in multiple categories?

I'm not a fan of hunting through menus. It makes no sense to me that my
(Evolution) address book is under the "Internet" menu, but my calendar
is under "Office".

Perhaps we should look for a different approach.

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Old 12-30-2007, 06:52 PM
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Default Opinions welcome: Restructuring the system menus

On Dec 30, 2007 1:09 PM, nodata <lsof@nodata.co.uk> wrote:
> Good point. But why must a user choose a category in order to find an
> application? Surely a menu is only useful if the user doesn't know what
> the application is called. Surely an app can be in multiple categories?
>
> I'm not a fan of hunting through menus. It makes no sense to me that my
> (Evolution) address book is under the "Internet" menu, but my calendar
> is under "Office".
>
> Perhaps we should look for a different approach.

You probably want some kind of task oriented tag system, instead of
just using categories.

Your address book, email, and browser all belong to the Internet task.

Your address book, email, and address book all belong to the PIM task.

Your calendar/todo system, word processor, and spreadsheet all belong
to the Office/Workflow task.

Of course, the system isn't set up for it nearly as well as it is for
just pigeonholing everything into single categories, so I just put my
most frequently used apps on a bar on the side of my desktop, and
touch the menu system rarely. Alot of the desktops, except for Gnome
and OS X seem to focus on monitoring which apps get clicked on the
most, and try to provide this for you automagically. They fail,
because rather than making things easy, they put a bunch of frequently
used items in unpredictable spaces, forcing the user to hesitate when
trying to do what he/she does the most often.

Of course we probably need some good usability studies, and I'm sure
Microsoft has enough money invested in their POS start menu that says
users like having their commonly used programs shift position
regularly.

A task oriented desktop has been my (increasingly devalued) 0.02 USD
for the past year and half though.

-Yaakov

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Old 12-30-2007, 08:35 PM
Linus Walleij
 
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I put my EUR 0.01 into bug 249204 on the system menu inputs:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=249204

Linus

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Old 12-31-2007, 11:40 AM
Nils Philippsen
 
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On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:35 +0100, Linus Walleij wrote:
> I put my EUR 0.01 into bug 249204 on the system menu inputs:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=249204

This bug is not about the system menu, but system-config-services. Some
of your suggestions were not about system-config-services either, you
should file them against more appropriate components ;-).

Nils
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Old 12-31-2007, 11:40 AM
Nils Philippsen
 
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On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:35 +0100, Linus Walleij wrote:
> I put my EUR 0.01 into bug 249204 on the system menu inputs:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=249204

This bug is not about the system menu, but system-config-services. Some
of your suggestions were not about system-config-services either, you
should file them against more appropriate components ;-).

Nils
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