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Old 12-22-2007, 07:40 AM
Gilboa Davara
 
Default Fedora 8 review (OT, Changing X' configuration)

On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 20:19 -0500, Yaakov Nemoy wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2007 7:44 PM, Jonathan Roberts
> <jonathan.roberts.uk@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Take for example:
> >
> > Distrowatch on Fedora:
> >
> > "Its new artwork team in particular deserves high marks for its work..."
> >
> > and a few comments from the digg story about Fedora 8's artwork:
> >
> > "This **** is great! I want Fedora!"
> >
> > "this is much better than the current hot air balloons, thanks!"
>
> Let's not forget the moment where I'm standing in front of a class
> about to give a presentation, and I have to reboot because I can't get
> X to recognize the projector without that. We're waiting for it to
> reboot, and I start telling them stories about how the Fedora Art team
> works, and just keeping people interested until I start the
> presentation.
>
> Let's see someone using Wintendo do that :P
>
> -Yaakov
>

Restart?!?!?!
Shouldn't Zap (Ctrl-Alt-BS) or Logout work?

I can't remember ever having to restart the machine in-order to change
something in X's configuration... (including driver.ko and X.org version
updates)

- Gilboa


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Old 12-22-2007, 12:28 PM
Benny Amorsen
 
Default Fedora 8 review (OT, Changing X' configuration)

Gilboa Davara <gilboad@gmail.com> writes:

> Restart?!?!?!
> Shouldn't Zap (Ctrl-Alt-BS) or Logout work?

It probably should, but it doesn't.

> I can't remember ever having to restart the machine in-order to change
> something in X's configuration... (including driver.ko and X.org version
> updates)

Welcome to laptops with ATI graphics. X often can't figure out how to
turn on an output if the BIOS hasn't done it already. If you boot
without the projector plugged in, the BIOS turns the VGA output off,
and that's the end of that story.

Hopefully ATI's new-found commitment to free software will help.


/Benny


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Old 12-22-2007, 02:20 PM
Matthew Saltzman
 
Default Fedora 8 review (OT, Changing X' configuration)

On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 10:40 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 20:19 -0500, Yaakov Nemoy wrote:

> > Let's not forget the moment where I'm standing in front of a class
> > about to give a presentation, and I have to reboot because I can't get
> > X to recognize the projector without that. We're waiting for it to
> > reboot, and I start telling them stories about how the Fedora Art team
> > works, and just keeping people interested until I start the
> > presentation.
> >
> > Let's see someone using Wintendo do that :P
>
> Restart?!?!?!
> Shouldn't Zap (Ctrl-Alt-BS) or Logout work?
>
> I can't remember ever having to restart the machine in-order to change
> something in X's configuration... (including driver.ko and X.org version
> updates)

On some machines, the external display DAC is off unless there is an
external display attached at boot time. The controls for changing that
state of affairs dynamically are unreliable in some X drivers.

For example, I used to be able to cycle my Radeon-based Thinkpad through
internal and external displays with a function key, but that stopped
working in F8. (Will file bug soon...)
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Old 12-22-2007, 03:20 PM
Gilboa Davara
 
Default Fedora 8 review (OT, Changing X' configuration)

On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 14:28 +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote:
> Gilboa Davara <gilboad@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Restart?!?!?!
> > Shouldn't Zap (Ctrl-Alt-BS) or Logout work?
>
> It probably should, but it doesn't.
>
> > I can't remember ever having to restart the machine in-order to change
> > something in X's configuration... (including driver.ko and X.org version
> > updates)
>
> Welcome to laptops with ATI graphics. X often can't figure out how to
> turn on an output if the BIOS hasn't done it already. If you boot
> without the projector plugged in, the BIOS turns the VGA output off,
> and that's the end of that story.

OK. I understand.

>
> Hopefully ATI's new-found commitment to free software will help.

Yep. Without the specs I doubt that OSS drivers will be able to reverse
engineer the BIOS switches required to turn on the external DAC.

- Gilboa

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Old 12-22-2007, 11:24 PM
"Yaakov Nemoy"
 
Default Fedora 8 review (OT, Changing X' configuration)

On Dec 22, 2007 3:40 AM, Gilboa Davara <gilboad@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Let's not forget the moment where I'm standing in front of a class
> > about to give a presentation, and I have to reboot because I can't get
> > X to recognize the projector without that. We're waiting for it to
> > reboot, and I start telling them stories about how the Fedora Art team
> > works, and just keeping people interested until I start the
> > presentation.
> >
> > Let's see someone using Wintendo do that :P
> >
> > -Yaakov
> >
>
> Restart?!?!?!
> Shouldn't Zap (Ctrl-Alt-BS) or Logout work?
>
> I can't remember ever having to restart the machine in-order to change
> something in X's configuration... (including driver.ko and X.org version
> updates)

It's an Intel chip, GMA965. I probably could have restarted X, but
you never know. Gateway puts funny stuff in their BIOSes, and it
seemed like it would be a better idea to do something I know would
work than wait on 5 possibilities.

-Yaakov

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