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Old 12-12-2008, 07:39 PM
Michael Cronenworth
 
Default Fedora Com System ? (was: Package updating problem and solutions)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Fedora Com System ? (was: Package updating problem and
solutions)

From: Seth Vidal <skvidal@fedoraproject.org>
To: Development discussions related to Fedora <fedora-devel-list@redhat.com>
Date: 12/12/2008 02:03 PM



How are fedora-announce, the blogs and the webpages NOT this?



We need an applet that notifies users of announce e-mails or some form
of libnotify box that says "hey stupid, read this Fedora news." New
users typically care less about mailing lists, blogs, and webpages
unless they are looking to set up new software like Samba sharing or
have a bug like the PackageKit dependency.


From my own experience, I could care less about visiting Fedora web
sites daily. Should all end users pour hours of their lives into reading
web pages and blogs daily? No, the process should be done for them.


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Old 12-12-2008, 07:42 PM
"Muayyad AlSadi"
 
Default Fedora Com System ? (was: Package updating problem and solutions)

the announce mailing list should be visible in some web site that support rss

and let firefox or any rss reader configured by default for it

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Old 12-12-2008, 07:53 PM
"Arthur Pemberton"
 
Default Fedora Com System ? (was: Package updating problem and solutions)

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Muayyad AlSadi <alsadi@gmail.com> wrote:
> the announce mailing list should be visible in some web site that support rss
>
> and let firefox or any rss reader configured by default for it

There is little difference between this and checking the
fedora-announce archives regularly though.

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Old 12-12-2008, 09:12 PM
"Arthur Pemberton"
 
Default Fedora Com System ? (was: Package updating problem and solutions)

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Seth Vidal <skvidal@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Fedora Com System ? (was: Package updating problem and
>> solutions)
>> From: Seth Vidal <skvidal@fedoraproject.org>
>> To: Development discussions related to Fedora
>> <fedora-devel-list@redhat.com>
>> Date: 12/12/2008 02:03 PM
>>
>>>
>>> How are fedora-announce, the blogs and the webpages NOT this?
>>>
>>
>> We need an applet that notifies users of announce e-mails or some form of
>> libnotify box that says "hey stupid, read this Fedora news." New users
>> typically care less about mailing lists, blogs, and webpages unless they are
>> looking to set up new software like Samba sharing or have a bug like the
>> PackageKit dependency.
>>
>> From my own experience, I could care less about visiting Fedora web sites
>> daily. Should all end users pour hours of their lives into reading web pages
>> and blogs daily? No, the process should be done for them.
>>
>
>
> okay, so as much as this makes me cringe I'll suggest something probably
> crack filled:
>
> - additional metadata file of notices in repodata
> - each notice has an id on it
> - a yum plugin or pk or what not - records the notices you've seen
> - as it finds new ones it emits them for you.
>
> that wouldn't really help us in the situation where an update broke the
> update system, of course.


I was thinking more of a human driven system.

Example:

1) The recent email to the announce list would be "sent out" to all
F10 users as a "critical alerting" instructing them accordingly.

2) Something takes down the build system, a "infrastructure alert:
would go out letting everyone know that updates will be dead for x
hours"

3) ... i think you get the drift

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Old 12-12-2008, 09:29 PM
"Paul W. Frields"
 
Default Fedora Com System ? (was: Package updating problem and solutions)

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:42:13PM +0200, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
> the announce mailing list should be visible in some web site that support rss
>
> and let firefox or any rss reader configured by default for it

Gmane provides this:
http://rss.gmane.org/messages/excerpts/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.core.announce

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Old 12-12-2008, 09:41 PM
Les Mikesell
 
Default Fedora Com System ? (was: Package updating problem and solutions)

Seth Vidal wrote:



On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Arthur Pemberton wrote:



I was thinking more of a human driven system.

Example:

1) The recent email to the announce list would be "sent out" to all
F10 users as a "critical alerting" instructing them accordingly.


We don't have any way to notify all fedora users. We don't even remotely
have anything like a users list and we won't be getting one.


Why not put info in a package that updates like binaries with some tool
to display the latest version at various occasions (bootup, starting
updates, updates that pull a new version, etc.?





2) Something takes down the build system, a "infrastructure alert:
would go out letting everyone know that updates will be dead for x
hours"


and that would be sent, where?


Of course it wouldn't work to notify that the update system was broken...

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Old 12-12-2008, 09:51 PM
"Arthur Pemberton"
 
Default Fedora Com System ? (was: Package updating problem and solutions)

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Seth Vidal <skvidal@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was thinking more of a human driven system.
>>
>> Example:
>>
>> 1) The recent email to the announce list would be "sent out" to all
>> F10 users as a "critical alerting" instructing them accordingly.
>
> We don't have any way to notify all fedora users. We don't even remotely
> have anything like a users list and we won't be getting one.

Well, all I think would be necessary is a preloaded RSS applet that is
tuned into a Fedora feed.
- no maintaining of a user list
- no actual sending (I think that the majority of the people who would
benefit from this won't care that this information isn't actually
being spent to them specifically)

>> 2) Something takes down the build system, a "infrastructure alert:
>> would go out letting everyone know that updates will be dead for x
>> hours"
>
> and that would be sent, where?

Ok, I clearly shouldn't have used the word sent. I was just trying to
give the image of something more intelligent than an RSS reader, but
using the same basic technologies and principles.

>> 3) ... i think you get the drift
>
> not exactly

I am thinking in terms of the a "Fedora Radio" which sits on the
desktop and lets people know when things are happening, with an
adjustable "debug level". So it would just pull stuff from a feed and
only display relevant alerts, kind of like those weather radios used
in the USA (http://www.weather.gov/nwr/) Something that the user
doesn't have to mess with to have it be useful, but can be be messed
with to make less annoying (if someone would find that annoying)

This is seemingly a lot clearer and logical in my head, will attempt
to draw a flow chart or so at some later point.

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Old 12-12-2008, 09:54 PM
"Arthur Pemberton"
 
Default Fedora Com System ? (was: Package updating problem and solutions)

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seth Vidal wrote:
[ snip ]
>> We don't have any way to notify all fedora users. We don't even remotely
>> have anything like a users list and we won't be getting one.
>
> Why not put info in a package that updates like binaries with some tool to
> display the latest version at various occasions (bootup, starting updates,
> updates that pull a new version, etc.?

Well, again. For this to be useful when "shit hits the fan" it would
need to be fairly detached from other core services.

>>
>>> 2) Something takes down the build system, a "infrastructure alert:
>>> would go out letting everyone know that updates will be dead for x
>>> hours"
>>
>> and that would be sent, where?
>
> Of course it wouldn't work to notify that the update system was broken...

Exactly.


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