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Old 12-12-2008, 03:38 PM
"Christopher Stone"
 
Default Updates QA/karma question

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Orion Poplawski <orion@cora.nwra.com> wrote:
> - Is there any requirement that an update have positive karma before being
> pushed to stable?

I hope not, nobody every karmas my updates :/

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Old 12-12-2008, 03:39 PM
Orion Poplawski
 
Default Updates QA/karma question

Christopher Stone wrote:

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Orion Poplawski <orion@cora.nwra.com> wrote:

- Is there any requirement that an update have positive karma before being
pushed to stable?


I hope not, nobody every karmas my updates :/



I guess I meant non-negative...


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Old 12-12-2008, 03:47 PM
Rex Dieter
 
Default Updates QA/karma question

Orion Poplawski wrote:

> Another update issue that raises some questions -
>
> - Does anyone actually read the comments in bodhi before allowing the
> push request to proceed?

It's all up to the individual pkg maintainer to "do the right thing, in
their best judgment". Same pretty much applies to all your questions
here.

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Old 12-12-2008, 04:01 PM
Jesse Keating
 
Default Updates QA/karma question

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 09:25 -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote:
>
> - Does anyone actually read the comments in bodhi before allowing the
> push request to proceed?

When a 24 hour period generates over 150 changes in bodhi, I don't
really have the time to read through each and every one to ensure that
the maintainer is doing the right thing.

Besides, I thought all Fedora maintainers were geniuses and my
bureaucracy just gets in the way?

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Old 12-12-2008, 04:17 PM
Jesse Keating
 
Default Updates QA/karma question

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 10:47 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Orion Poplawski wrote:
>
> > Another update issue that raises some questions -
> >
> > - Does anyone actually read the comments in bodhi before allowing the
> > push request to proceed?
>
> It's all up to the individual pkg maintainer to "do the right thing, in
> their best judgment". Same pretty much applies to all your questions
> here.
>
> -- Rex

It is also up to the pkg maintainer's sponsor to ensure that the people
one has sponsored are doing the right thing.

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Old 12-12-2008, 04:17 PM
"Jeff Spaleta"
 
Default Updates QA/karma question

2008/12/12 Jesse Keating <jkeating@redhat.com>:
> Besides, I thought all Fedora maintainers were geniuses and my
> bureaucracy just gets in the way?

I just want to point out that during my life as a genius, I've seen
multiple geniuses have their lives literally saved by the bureaucracy
of lab and industrial safety procedures. I've also seen a few of them
almost die because bureaucracy wasn't in place and they were not
required to stop for a second and think ahead about consequences.

And we will bitch and moan about the absolute stupidity of those
policies, until our buddy in the lab next door decides to disable the
safety interlocks on his laser, and then we walk into the room and the
laser doesn't turn off on door entry..like it did the day before.
Those are the sort of moments were safety policies become cherished..
even if the bureaucrats never are.


-jef"Sure turning your eyeball into a snowglobe that you look through
because you forgot to wear your safety goggles when you were in the
room while the high power infrared laser was on sound like fun...
until it happens to you"spaleta

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Old 12-12-2008, 04:48 PM
Kevin Kofler
 
Default Updates QA/karma question

Orion Poplawski wrote:
> - Does anyone actually read the comments in bodhi before allowing the
> push request to proceed?

The maintainer is supposed to read them, but if he already mistakenly
requested the push, he might not be able to cancel it in time. "Push to
stable" is a bit of a "big red button" you have to be careful with pushing.
There's no way rel-eng can notice all such comments, the manpower is simply
not there. (It would also need to be coordinated so the proofreaders screen
the updates right before Jesse Keating starts the push process. I don't
think this is going to happen any time soon.)

Kevin Kofler

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Old 12-12-2008, 05:15 PM
Orion Poplawski
 
Default Updates QA/karma question

Jesse Keating wrote:

It is also up to the pkg maintainer's sponsor to ensure that the people
one has sponsored are doing the right thing.



Can you "watch updates" in bodhi for a particular user they way you can
in bugzilla?


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Old 12-12-2008, 05:18 PM
Orion Poplawski
 
Default Updates QA/karma question

Jesse Keating wrote:

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 09:25 -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote:
- Does anyone actually read the comments in bodhi before allowing the
push request to proceed?


When a 24 hour period generates over 150 changes in bodhi, I don't
really have the time to read through each and every one to ensure that
the maintainer is doing the right thing.


True, but at least negative karma ones could be flagged.


Besides, I thought all Fedora maintainers were geniuses and my
bureaucracy just gets in the way?


I'm with you and jef on this one. There is no way (other than security
updates and possibly critical bugfixes - do we need a flag for this?)
that getting an update out the door immediately is more important that
preserving the stability of the release.


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Old 12-12-2008, 05:26 PM
Jesse Keating
 
Default Updates QA/karma question

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 11:15 -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> Can you "watch updates" in bodhi for a particular user they way you
> can
> in bugzilla?

I don't think so directly, but there are rss feeds that you could filter
on.

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