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Old 12-10-2008, 04:35 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default Making updates-testing more useful

I have an F10 installation, and have updates-testing enabled, but I
almost never give any feedback in bodhi, because it is fairly hard to
keep track of what updates are installed, which of them are in testing,
etc.

I think we could make updates-testing much more useful if we had a tiny
bit of PackageKit integration. Basically, PackageKit should know that
these are testing updates, and should ask me 'There are ... package
updates available that need testing. Do you want to test these now ?'
For extra points, we could even show a 'report back' link somewhere that
allows to send comments to bodhi.

Of course, this has to be implemented in a suitably distibution-neutral
way to be integrated in PackageKit, but I think test updates are a
sufficiently general concept that PackageKit should support.

What do you think ?


Matthias

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Old 12-10-2008, 04:45 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default Making updates-testing more useful

On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 17:43 +0000, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 12:35 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > There are ... package
> > updates available that need testing. Do you want to test these now ?
>
> Also, this would imply automatically turning on updates-testing,
> downloading metadata, and disabling updates-testing all behind the users
> back. A few people might get upset by this.
>

I would probably restrict this to people who have explicitly enabled
updates-testing.

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Old 12-10-2008, 04:48 PM
Richard Hughes
 
Default Making updates-testing more useful

> I have an F10 installation, and have updates-testing enabled, but I
> almost never give any feedback in bodhi, because it is fairly hard to
> keep track of what updates are installed, which of them are in
testing,
> etc.

I think it makes a lot of sense, and something we _need_ to do to
increase the number of people sending karma.

> I think we could make updates-testing much more useful if we had a
tiny
> bit of PackageKit integration. Basically, PackageKit should know that
> these are testing updates, and should ask me 'There are ... package
> updates available that need testing. Do you want to test these now ?'
> For extra points, we could even show a 'report back' link somewhere
that
> allows to send comments to bodhi.

And let people opt in or opt out. I think we can do this in a cross
distro way with a little bit of cleverness.

> Of course, this has to be implemented in a suitably
distibution-neutral
> way to be integrated in PackageKit, but I think test updates are a
> sufficiently general concept that PackageKit should support.

Yes. This has to be general. Last time I asked, a yum repo didn't
support a "class", i.e. a testing repo, and we have to use some
heuristics in the yum backend to detect debuginfo repos. We could do the
same thing here.

Richard.

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Old 12-10-2008, 05:23 PM
Mike Chambers
 
Default Making updates-testing more useful

On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 12:35 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> I have an F10 installation, and have updates-testing enabled, but I
> almost never give any feedback in bodhi, because it is fairly hard to
> keep track of what updates are installed, which of them are in testing,
> etc.

+1, same reason, cept for the pain of sometimes a breakage that hate
dealing with.

>
> I think we could make updates-testing much more useful if we had a tiny
> bit of PackageKit integration. Basically, PackageKit should know that
> these are testing updates, and should ask me 'There are ... package
> updates available that need testing. Do you want to test these now ?'
> For extra points, we could even show a 'report back' link somewhere that
> allows to send comments to bodhi.


What are general thoughts on how this would work? You get the testing
updates, install/update, run them, then click on some GUI and enter
comments to be submitted to Bodhi?

And I guess (not to get too detailed into something not created yet)
those updates would stay polluted in the GUI until you make a comment or
remove it yourself (this would help show what you have left to comment
on so you can remember)?

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Old 12-10-2008, 05:30 PM
"Jeff Spaleta"
 
Default Making updates-testing more useful

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Mike Chambers <mike@miketc.net> wrote:
> What are general thoughts on how this would work? You get the testing
> updates, install/update, run them, then click on some GUI and enter
> comments to be submitted to Bodhi?

PK's notification applet periodically reminds you that you have
testing updates installed that you haven't sent any karma love in for.
Something like "Hey you've had this testing package installed now
for a few days, maybe its time to send it some love?"


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Old 12-10-2008, 05:40 PM
Mads Villadsen
 
Default Making updates-testing more useful

On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 12:35 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> I think we could make updates-testing much more useful if we had a tiny
> bit of PackageKit integration. Basically, PackageKit should know that
> these are testing updates, and should ask me 'There are ... package
> updates available that need testing. Do you want to test these now ?'
> For extra points, we could even show a 'report back' link somewhere that
> allows to send comments to bodhi.
>
> Of course, this has to be implemented in a suitably distibution-neutral
> way to be integrated in PackageKit, but I think test updates are a
> sufficiently general concept that PackageKit should support.
>
> What do you think ?

I think it is a great idea. As it is also possible to track the date of
the install then PackageKit could ask a question like this: "You have
had package Y from updates-testing installed for 5 days. Would you like
to rate it now?"
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Old 12-10-2008, 05:52 PM
Seth Vidal
 
Default Making updates-testing more useful

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Richard Hughes wrote:


I have an F10 installation, and have updates-testing enabled, but I
almost never give any feedback in bodhi, because it is fairly hard to
keep track of what updates are installed, which of them are in

testing,

etc.




I think the idea is good. I don't think it helps us to store more
information in PK, though.


If we're going to be storing where a package is installed from. It should
probably be in rpm.


-sv

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Old 12-10-2008, 05:54 PM
Les Mikesell
 
Default Making updates-testing more useful

Mike Chambers wrote:

On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 12:35 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:

I have an F10 installation, and have updates-testing enabled, but I
almost never give any feedback in bodhi, because it is fairly hard to
keep track of what updates are installed, which of them are in testing,
etc.


+1, same reason, cept for the pain of sometimes a breakage that hate
dealing with.


I think we could make updates-testing much more useful if we had a tiny
bit of PackageKit integration. Basically, PackageKit should know that
these are testing updates, and should ask me 'There are ... package
updates available that need testing. Do you want to test these now ?'
For extra points, we could even show a 'report back' link somewhere that
allows to send comments to bodhi.



What are general thoughts on how this would work? You get the testing
updates, install/update, run them, then click on some GUI and enter
comments to be submitted to Bodhi?

And I guess (not to get too detailed into something not created yet)
those updates would stay polluted in the GUI until you make a comment or
remove it yourself (this would help show what you have left to comment
on so you can remember)?


Could there be a way to throw everything in the same repo and give the
user/installer a choice of how 'well-tested' something should be before
installing it? Preferably with a sliding scale instead of just 2
choices. Normally on new installs and machines used explicitly for
testing I'd expect people to want the latest changes but become more
conservative on machines that are working well and used for important
work. The 'well-tested' concept might have factors for age, feedback,
emergency overrides, etc.


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Old 12-10-2008, 06:11 PM
"Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski"
 
Default Making updates-testing more useful

On Wednesday, 10 December 2008 at 19:30, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Mike Chambers <mike@miketc.net> wrote:
> > What are general thoughts on how this would work? You get the testing
> > updates, install/update, run them, then click on some GUI and enter
> > comments to be submitted to Bodhi?
>
> PK's notification applet periodically reminds you that you have
> testing updates installed that you haven't sent any karma love in for.
> Something like "Hey you've had this testing package installed now
> for a few days, maybe its time to send it some love?"

"Here are the links to bug reports about problems it was supposed
to fix:"

So that I can verify that the bug is indeed gone instead of writing
"worksforme" in the comment when in fact I'm not even running the
affected scenario.

Regards,
R.

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Old 12-10-2008, 06:16 PM
Josh Boyer
 
Default Making updates-testing more useful

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 01:52:18PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Richard Hughes wrote:
>
>>> I have an F10 installation, and have updates-testing enabled, but I
>>> almost never give any feedback in bodhi, because it is fairly hard to
>>> keep track of what updates are installed, which of them are in
>> testing,
>>> etc.
>>
>
> I think the idea is good. I don't think it helps us to store more
> information in PK, though.

Agreed.

> If we're going to be storing where a package is installed from. It should
> probably be in rpm.

We can't easily do that though, can we? Given that the same binary RPMs
that are in updates-testing today will be in updates tomorrow without
changing...

josh

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