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Old 10-20-2008, 04:09 PM
"Konstantin Ryabitsev"
 
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2008/10/20 Christopher Stone <chris.stone@gmail.com>:
> qualitypackger (for quality assurance)

...and also budgetpackager, comfortpackager, and dayspackager?

(I know, but this whole conversation is extremely silly, too)

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Old 10-20-2008, 04:11 PM
Behdad Esfahbod
 
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Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote:
> 2008/10/20 Christopher Stone <chris.stone@gmail.com>:
>> qualitypackger (for quality assurance)
>
> ...and also budgetpackager, comfortpackager, and dayspackager?
>
> (I know, but this whole conversation is extremely silly, too)

Then please stop it.

behdad

> Cheers,

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Old 10-20-2008, 04:48 PM
Casey Dahlin
 
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Toshio Kuratomi wrote:

David Woodhouse wrote:


On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 09:18 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:


So I'm going to do this tomorrow or have to put it off until after
change freeze.

The name I personally favour is masterpackager since it evokes the
apprentice, journeyman, master craftsman stages that seem most like what
we're modeling here.

I know this isn't as flamboyant as ultrapackager, superpackager, etc but
can everyone live with this?


No, I'm offended by the idea that a common root used in many geek words
can so easily be declared 'unclean' and eradicated. This is political
correctness at its worst, and I find it horrifically offensive. And
that's a _current_ issue, not one from the previous millennium.

I have no particular attachment to the 'überpackager' name, but I object
strongly to the change on _principle_. Please leave it as it was.



I'll comment on this:

I kinda agree with you on the principle of the thing.

However, I also just plain don't like uberpackager. uber has the
connotation of "superior" where I think the group name should be
shooting for the meanings of "more experienced", "proven" and "trusted".



I think that's really missing the joke.

Yes, uber- implies superior, but its meant ironically. Hence the choice
of such a goofy geek slang. On the surface it means superior, but in
reality we're poking fun at ourselves.


In that vein, I nominate "packager gold club member"

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Old 10-20-2008, 04:49 PM
Till Maas
 
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On Monday 20 October 2008 18:06:34 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> David Woodhouse <dwmw2 <at> infradead.org> writes:
> > No, I'm offended by the idea that a common root used in many geek words
>
> ... by ignorant Americans who are unaware of the true meaning of that term!

It is also used by German geeks:
http://www.das-labor.org/wiki/Ubershowcase

And from my first survey here in Germany, I concluded regarding the badness of
the uber prefix, that the nazis especially formed the term "Untermensch" and
not the term "Übermensch".

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Old 10-20-2008, 04:55 PM
Dimi Paun
 
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On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 18:49 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
> And from my first survey here in Germany, I concluded regarding the
> badness of the uber prefix, that the nazis especially formed the term
> "Untermensch" and not the term "Übermensch".

Indeed, I believe it was "untermenchen" and "herrenvolk".

I personally feel this discussion is silly. "Uber" is just fine with me.

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Old 10-20-2008, 05:08 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
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Toshio Kuratomi (a.badger@gmail.com) said:
> So I'm going to do this tomorrow or have to put it off until after
> change freeze.
>
> The name I personally favour is masterpackager since it evokes the
> apprentice, journeyman, master craftsman stages that seem most like what
> we're modeling here.
>
> I know this isn't as flamboyant as ultrapackager, superpackager, etc but
> can everyone live with this?

As long as we're naming the other group blasterpackager.

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Old 10-20-2008, 05:12 PM
Toshio Kuratomi
 
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David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 06:33 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> However, I also just plain don't like uberpackager. uber has the
>> connotation of "superior" where I think the group name should be
>> shooting for the meanings of "more experienced", "proven" and
>> "trusted".
>
> To be honest, that sounds like onanistic political correctness too, and
> is almost as offensive to me as the other reason for changing it.
>
Well, it may be wanking but I don't consider it political correctness.
There's a difference in meaning between the words used and one is more
specific and a better description than the other.

Having an argument over the definition of political correctness is
probably even more off topic, though. So I'll face your criticism and
say as long as it's just *almost* as offensive I can live with it :-)

-Toshio

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Old 10-20-2008, 05:19 PM
Lennart Poettering
 
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On Mon, 20.10.08 10:52, David Woodhouse (dwmw2@infradead.org) wrote:

> > The name I personally favour is masterpackager since it evokes the
> > apprentice, journeyman, master craftsman stages that seem most like what
> > we're modeling here.
> >
> > I know this isn't as flamboyant as ultrapackager, superpackager, etc but
> > can everyone live with this?
>
> No, I'm offended by the idea that a common root used in many geek words
> can so easily be declared 'unclean' and eradicated. This is political
> correctness at its worst, and I find it horrifically offensive. And
> that's a _current_ issue, not one from the previous millennium.

"horrifically offensive". Oh my, you are easy to offend!

> I have no particular attachment to the 'überpackager' name, but I object
> strongly to the change on _principle_. Please leave it as it was.

I am amazed how pointless and ignorant and cheap the principles are
you chose as yours. If being against anything that could remotely
smell like political correctness is one of your principles, then oh my
-- I really hope you don't have any other problems. It sounds like you
are proud of being ignorant.

“Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have
others.” -- Grouch Marx

I know that americans and britons think that prefixing words with
"über" in reference to the Übermensch is awesome and cool. And maybe
it is. But formalizing this in our workflow -- that is followed in
countries where people generally do see the connotation because it is
taught in school -- is another step.

It wasn't my intention to start this noisy bike-shed discussion. I
am sorry for that.

Lennart

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Old 10-20-2008, 06:11 PM
Callum Lerwick
 
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On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 06:55 +0200, Tim Lauridsen wrote:
> Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > So I'm going to do this tomorrow or have to put it off until after
> > change freeze.
> >
> > The name I personally favour is masterpackager since it evokes the
> > apprentice, journeyman, master craftsman stages that seem most like what
> > we're modeling here.
> >
> > I know this isn't as flamboyant as ultrapackager, superpackager, etc but
> > can everyone live with this?
> >
> > -Toshio
> >
> >
> master ninja overload super chief packager

packagemonkey!
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Old 10-20-2008, 07:25 PM
Casey Dahlin
 
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Kevin Kofler wrote:

David Woodhouse <dwmw2 <at> infradead.org> writes:


No, I'm offended by the idea that a common root used in many geek words



... by ignorant Americans who are unaware of the true meaning of that term!




Right! Because all true meaning comes from Europe. Any meaning which
might exist in America is just pretend. Only European meanings are true.


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