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Old 10-15-2008, 09:13 AM
Dario Lesca
 
Default open-vm-tools for Fedora

Why Fedora not have in our standard repo the open-vm-tools package?

http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/

> linux-0chi:~ # rpm -qi open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1
> Name : open-vm-tools Relocations: (not relocatable)
> Version : 2008.04.14 Vendor: SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany
> ....
> Group : System/Emulators/PC Source RPM: open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1.src.rpm
> Size : 1495998 License: BSD 3-Clause; GPL v2 only; LGPL v2.1 only
> ....
> Summary : Open Virtual Machine Tools
> Description :
> Open Virtual Machine Tools (open-vm-tools) are the open source
> implementation of VMware Tools.

It's a License Problem?
Or maintainer problem?

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Old 10-15-2008, 09:13 AM
Dario Lesca
 
Default open-vm-tools for Fedora

Why Fedora not have in our standard repo the open-vm-tools package?

http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/

> linux-0chi:~ # rpm -qi open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1
> Name : open-vm-tools Relocations: (not relocatable)
> Version : 2008.04.14 Vendor: SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany
> ....
> Group : System/Emulators/PC Source RPM: open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1.src.rpm
> Size : 1495998 License: BSD 3-Clause; GPL v2 only; LGPL v2.1 only
> ....
> Summary : Open Virtual Machine Tools
> Description :
> Open Virtual Machine Tools (open-vm-tools) are the open source
> implementation of VMware Tools.

It's a License Problem?
Or maintainer problem?

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Old 10-15-2008, 09:24 AM
Paul Howarth
 
Default open-vm-tools for Fedora

Dario Lesca wrote:

Why Fedora not have in our standard repo the open-vm-tools package?

http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/


linux-0chi:~ # rpm -qi open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1
Name : open-vm-tools Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version : 2008.04.14 Vendor: SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany
....
Group : System/Emulators/PC Source RPM: open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1.src.rpm
Size : 1495998 License: BSD 3-Clause; GPL v2 only; LGPL v2.1 only
....
Summary : Open Virtual Machine Tools
Description :
Open Virtual Machine Tools (open-vm-tools) are the open source
implementation of VMware Tools.


It's a License Problem?
Or maintainer problem?


Neither, it's that out-of-tree kernel modules aren't allowed in Fedora.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294341

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Old 10-15-2008, 09:26 AM
Denis Leroy
 
Default open-vm-tools for Fedora

Dario Lesca wrote:

Why Fedora not have in our standard repo the open-vm-tools package?

http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/


linux-0chi:~ # rpm -qi open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1
Name : open-vm-tools Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version : 2008.04.14 Vendor: SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany
....
Group : System/Emulators/PC Source RPM: open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1.src.rpm
Size : 1495998 License: BSD 3-Clause; GPL v2 only; LGPL v2.1 only
....
Summary : Open Virtual Machine Tools
Description :
Open Virtual Machine Tools (open-vm-tools) are the open source
implementation of VMware Tools.


It's a License Problem?
Or maintainer problem?


It's a Fedora Policy problem.

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-September/msg01949.html

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Old 10-15-2008, 09:29 AM
"Daniel P. Berrange"
 
Default open-vm-tools for Fedora

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:13:22AM +0200, Dario Lesca wrote:
> Why Fedora not have in our standard repo the open-vm-tools package?
>
> http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/
>
> > linux-0chi:~ # rpm -qi open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1
> > Name : open-vm-tools Relocations: (not relocatable)
> > Version : 2008.04.14 Vendor: SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany
> > ....
> > Group : System/Emulators/PC Source RPM: open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1.src.rpm
> > Size : 1495998 License: BSD 3-Clause; GPL v2 only; LGPL v2.1 only
> > ....
> > Summary : Open Virtual Machine Tools
> > Description :
> > Open Virtual Machine Tools (open-vm-tools) are the open source
> > implementation of VMware Tools.
>
> It's a License Problem?

As you can see from text you quoted the License(s) are all open source
and allowed by Fedora. A quick look at the code and it seems these
license tags are accurate too.

The open-vm-tools contains a mixture of userspace libraries/agents, and
a bunch of kernel modules. The kernel modules will not be allowed in
Fedora as per packaging standards. Anyone is free to package up the
userspace tools.

Despite their generic sounding name they are really only useful for
VMWare because the host<->guest communication protocl is utter
crackrock, relying on poking a special (potentially unsafe) IO port,
and not portable to non-x86 architectures.

Furthermore 'vm tools' as a concept really shouldn't need to even exist.
Each bit of functionality should be integrated into the appropriate
existing application or tool, so things 'just work' in a VM without
needing install of special packages. eg mouse / video drivers are already
part of Xorg as standard. The hgfs mount helper program should just be
part of util-lnux; monitoring extensions added to existing monitoring
tools like collectd or nagios. Don't let that stop you packaging it up
if you want it in Fedora though.

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Old 10-15-2008, 09:31 AM
Adam Deacon
 
Default open-vm-tools for Fedora

On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 11:13 +0200, Dario Lesca wrote:


Why Fedora not have in our standard repo the open-vm-tools package?

http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/

> linux-0chi:~ # rpm -qi open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1
> Name : open-vm-tools Relocations: (not relocatable)
> Version : 2008.04.14 Vendor: SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany
> ....
> Group : System/Emulators/PC Source RPM: open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1.src.rpm
> Size : 1495998 License: BSD 3-Clause; GPL v2 only; LGPL v2.1 only
> ....
> Summary : Open Virtual Machine Tools
> Description :
> Open Virtual Machine Tools (open-vm-tools) are the open source
> implementation of VMware Tools.

It's a License Problem?
Or maintainer problem?


Hi



There are SRPMS which seem to work well, take a look here for the back story.



https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294341

http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1664

http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1665



Thanks



Adam


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Old 10-15-2008, 09:35 AM
Denis Leroy
 
Default open-vm-tools for Fedora

Daniel P. Berrange wrote:

Furthermore 'vm tools' as a concept really shouldn't need to even exist.
Each bit of functionality should be integrated into the appropriate
existing application or tool, so things 'just work' in a VM without
needing install of special packages.


Send patches.


Don't let that stop you packaging it up
if you want it in Fedora though.


http://www.poolshark.org/dkms-open-vm-tools/

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Old 10-15-2008, 09:39 AM
"Peter Robinson"
 
Default open-vm-tools for Fedora

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Paul Howarth <paul@city-fan.org> wrote:
> Dario Lesca wrote:
>>
>> Why Fedora not have in our standard repo the open-vm-tools package?
>>
>> http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/
>>
>>> linux-0chi:~ # rpm -qi open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1
>>> Name : open-vm-tools Relocations: (not relocatable)
>>> Version : 2008.04.14 Vendor: SUSE LINUX
>>> Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany
>>> ....
>>> Group : System/Emulators/PC Source RPM:
>>> open-vm-tools-2008.04.14-21.1.src.rpm
>>> Size : 1495998 License: BSD 3-Clause; GPL
>>> v2 only; LGPL v2.1 only
>>> ....
>>> Summary : Open Virtual Machine Tools
>>> Description :
>>> Open Virtual Machine Tools (open-vm-tools) are the open source
>>> implementation of VMware Tools.
>>
>> It's a License Problem?
>> Or maintainer problem?
>
> Neither, it's that out-of-tree kernel modules aren't allowed in Fedora.
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294341

Looks like a perfect candidate for rpmfusion.org

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Old 10-15-2008, 09:40 AM
"Daniel P. Berrange"
 
Default open-vm-tools for Fedora

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:35:34AM +0200, Denis Leroy wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> >Furthermore 'vm tools' as a concept really shouldn't need to even exist.
> >Each bit of functionality should be integrated into the appropriate
> >existing application or tool, so things 'just work' in a VM without
> >needing install of special packages.
>
> Send patches.

I already send patches for virt support to relevant applications.

I've no interest in sending patches to open-vm-tools as a project
because VMware require that you sign a contributors agreement.
This gives VMWare joint copyright assignment allowing them to use
all contributed code in non-open source projects. No thanks.

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Old 10-15-2008, 09:45 AM
Denis Leroy
 
Default open-vm-tools for Fedora

Daniel P. Berrange wrote:

I've no interest in sending patches to open-vm-tools as a project
because VMware require that you sign a contributors agreement.
This gives VMWare joint copyright assignment allowing them to use
all contributed code in non-open source projects.


Didn't realize that. Yes, that's pretty awful.
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