On Sat October 11 2008, Mike McGrath wrote:

> Seriously, this is a devel list, not an end-user list. Quantitative
> values will get taken seriously, "eternity" won't unless you're actually
> telling me they're failing to download.

Eternity is quite right, because here rtorrent osscilates between downloading
a little at with little speed and not getting any new chunks at all. Then it
also does not display any estimated time to complete it.

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008, Till Maas wrote:

> On Sat October 11 2008, Mike McGrath wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't say overloaded. Throttled is the right word, and we do have it
> > throttled. Although even throttled on one machine I was able to download
> > the latest live beta in roughly 10 minutes on my slicehost.com host, and
> > closer to 9 hours on my workstation at home. Its always difficult to tell
> > where the slowness happens but I suspect in my slow case it was because my
> > ISP was limiting my traffic and slicehost.com was not.
>
> For me surely torrent1.fedoraproject.org is the bottleneck, because it only
> seeds at around 0.2 KB/s and is the only seed at all. Something is strange,
> because given the time the torrent is already online, there should be several
> other seeds, but nearly all peers have the same percentage of the files, so
> they redistribute whatever they got, but nobody gets the missing chunks
> reasonable fast to redistribute them.
>

Thus the theory of torrent. Things that are popular will download
quickly, things that aren't won't. Seems to match well with community if
you ask me.

I just downloaded:

http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents//F10-Snap1-x86_64-Live.torrent

It took just over 6 minutes and my top speed was 2037.3 KB/s I might
suggest that different places have different rules wrt torrent and qos,
firewalls and other setups can affect torrent preformance.

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008, Denis Leroy wrote:

> Till Maas wrote:
> > For me surely torrent1.fedoraproject.org is the bottleneck, because it only
> > seeds at around 0.2 KB/s and is the only seed at all. Something is strange,
> > because given the time the torrent is already online, there should be
> > several other seeds, but nearly all peers have the same percentage of the
> > files, so they redistribute whatever they got, but nobody gets the missing
> > chunks reasonable fast to redistribute them.
>
> Exactly the same thing here. Somebody kicks that bitorrent server...
>

What speeds do you get from other bittorrent servers?

-Mike

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008, Till Maas wrote:

> On Sat October 11 2008, Mike McGrath wrote:
>
> > Seriously, this is a devel list, not an end-user list. Quantitative
> > values will get taken seriously, "eternity" won't unless you're actually
> > telling me they're failing to download.
>
> Eternity is quite right, because here rtorrent osscilates between downloading
> a little at with little speed and not getting any new chunks at all. Then it
> also does not display any estimated time to complete it.
>

rtorrent is what I used, and it took about 6 minutes. What speeds do you
get with other torrent servers?

-Mike

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On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 03:22:01PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > I'm on multiple gig links, unrestricted, and it is taking an eternity
> > to download the Snap1 images.
>
> Seriously, this is a devel list, not an end-user list. Quantitative
> values will get taken seriously, "eternity" won't unless you're actually
> telling me they're failing to download.

I've already posted rates, but here is an updated list. While the
ETAs below indicate 5-6 hours, in reality the ETAs aren't very
accurate. In many cases the ETAs are going up.

File Size Download Upload
-------------------------- -------- --------- ---------
F10-Snap1-i686-Live 686.3MiB 5.8KiB/s 1.7KiB/s
(70.5%) ETA in 6:14:50 - 23 peers 1 seeds 0 dist copies - 4.0MiB dn 5.7MiB up

F10-Snap1-x86_64-Live 692.2MiB 6.3KiB/s 8.8KiB/s
(86.8%) ETA in 5:39:08 - 36 peers 1 seeds 0 dist copies - 1.9MiB dn 32.6MiB up

F10-Snap1-i686-Live-KDE 694.5MiB 9.4KiB/s 27.7KiB/s
(71.2%) ETA in 5:47:44 - 11 peers 1 seeds 0 dist copies - 4.0MiB dn 8.1MiB up

F10-Snap1-x86_64-Live-KDE 700.7MiB 5.1KiB/s 79.8KiB/s
(87.9%) ETA in 2:18:06 - 12 peers 0 seeds 0 dist copies - 4.5MiB dn 10.1MiB up

It is interesting that the last one now has 0 seeds. Did the seeder
crash?

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Mike McGrath wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008, Denis Leroy wrote:


Till Maas wrote:

For me surely torrent1.fedoraproject.org is the bottleneck, because it only
seeds at around 0.2 KB/s and is the only seed at all. Something is strange,
because given the time the torrent is already online, there should be
several other seeds, but nearly all peers have the same percentage of the
files, so they redistribute whatever they got, but nobody gets the missing
chunks reasonable fast to redistribute them.

Exactly the same thing here. Somebody kicks that bitorrent server...



What speeds do you get from other bittorrent servers?


No something's wrong, I'm downloading from between 0 and 2 peers, out of
40. This is not how bittorrent normally works. I'm getting 1 or 2 kb/s
per second.


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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008, Denis Leroy wrote:

> Mike McGrath wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Oct 2008, Denis Leroy wrote:
> >
> > > Till Maas wrote:
> > > > For me surely torrent1.fedoraproject.org is the bottleneck, because it
> > > > only
> > > > seeds at around 0.2 KB/s and is the only seed at all. Something is
> > > > strange,
> > > > because given the time the torrent is already online, there should be
> > > > several other seeds, but nearly all peers have the same percentage of
> > > > the
> > > > files, so they redistribute whatever they got, but nobody gets the
> > > > missing
> > > > chunks reasonable fast to redistribute them.
> > > Exactly the same thing here. Somebody kicks that bitorrent server...
> > >
> >
> > What speeds do you get from other bittorrent servers?
>
> No something's wrong, I'm downloading from between 0 and 2 peers, out of 40.
> This is not how bittorrent normally works. I'm getting 1 or 2 kb/s per second.
>

I'm not saying something isn't wrong. I'm saying I'm not seeing it and if
I can't see it I don't know how I'm going to fix it. Can anyone give me
speeds for any other torrent besides ours?

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Mike McGrath wrote:

I'm not saying something isn't wrong. I'm saying I'm not seeing it and if
I can't see it I don't know how I'm going to fix it. Can anyone give me
speeds for any other torrent besides ours?


Well I just added the Fedora 9 i686 live CD for comparison, I'm getting
1.0 MBytes per second.


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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008, Denis Leroy wrote:

> Mike McGrath wrote:
> > I'm not saying something isn't wrong. I'm saying I'm not seeing it and if
> > I can't see it I don't know how I'm going to fix it. Can anyone give me
> > speeds for any other torrent besides ours?
>
> Well I just added the Fedora 9 i686 live CD for comparison, I'm getting 1.0
> MBytes per second.
>

So, on a new, less popular torrent like the Snap1 you see slow speeds. On
an older, more popular torrent you see faster speeds. How is the torrent
not behaving as it should again?

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Mike McGrath wrote:
> I just downloaded:
>
> http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents//F10-Snap1-x86_64-Live.torrent
>
> It took just over 6 minutes and my top speed was 2037.3 KB/s I might
> suggest that different places have different rules wrt torrent and qos,
> firewalls and other setups can affect torrent preformance.

I wonder how you did that, as I see exactly 1 peer which has 100% (the
rest is at around 88%), and that is torrent1.fedoraproject.org. This doesn't
seem to be a performance issue >

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