On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 02:52:13PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 23:49 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > Provide a "minimal install" as install option, such that sysadmins can
> > add what they want, instead of forcing them to "manually minimize the
> > distro", as you are doing it now.
>
> Great, now get consensus on what 'minimal' should be.

No need for a consensus, pick a set of comps groups with your best
judgement. It would be better than nothing. Then people can argue. If
you want the arguing before, post it there, and wait for feedback.

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On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 00:08 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote:
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> No need for a consensus, pick a set of comps groups with your best
> judgement. It would be better than nothing. Then people can argue. If
> you want the arguing before, post it there, and wait for feedback.

@core with optional @base. What more/less do you want?

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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 03:14:18PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 00:08 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote:
> >
> > No need for a consensus, pick a set of comps groups with your best
> > judgement. It would be better than nothing. Then people can argue. If
> > you want the arguing before, post it there, and wait for feedback.
>
> @core with optional @base. What more/less do you want?

Looks good to me.

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On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 14:52 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 23:49 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > Provide a "minimal install" as install option, such that sysadmins can
> > add what they want, instead of forcing them to "manually minimize the
> > distro", as you are doing it now.
>
> Great, now get consensus on what 'minimal' should be.
shell + networking.

Approximately the set of packages required for a networked install.

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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 03:14:18PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 00:08 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote:
> >
> > No need for a consensus, pick a set of comps groups with your best
> > judgement. It would be better than nothing. Then people can argue. If
> > you want the arguing before, post it there, and wait for feedback.
>
> @core with optional @base. What more/less do you want?

Also system-tools as an optional group since there are some networking
apps that could be of use there. But it is not that important.

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On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 00:25 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > Great, now get consensus on what 'minimal' should be.
> shell + networking.
>
> Approximately the set of packages required for a networked install.

And does that include the ability to add more later?

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Hi,

I think we can have 4 install options :

1. Desktop
2. Server
3. Minimal
4. Custom ( For advanced users )

Some details about each options :

1. Desktop : Optimized for desktop performance with fully installed office suite, desktop themes(compiz fusion), games,internet softwares ( mozilla firefox , evolution, Pigdin etc),sound and video packages, graphics maniplation packages ,Programming tools, Basic system administration tools and networking tools.


2. Server : Optimized for server performance with different server administration tools. High profile graphics and desktop effects should be avoided . A basic GNOME environment with internet softwares ( mozilla firefox , evolution) and important server and network administration tools and packages should be the main features.


3. Minimal : A base system install with networking ideal for creating spins.

4. Custom ( For advanced users ) : Provide option to a user to select individual packages. Ideal for users who want both desktop and server features on a single system. It is basically a minimal install but

will provide option to a user to select individual packages.

I have just tried to desgn a outline , nothing more than that as I dont have enough knowledge about fedora and linux packages.

Thank You.

yours sincerely,


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On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 15:31 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 00:25 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > > Great, now get consensus on what 'minimal' should be.
> > shell + networking.
> >
> > Approximately the set of packages required for a networked install.
>
> And does that include the ability to add more later?
Sure, yum + rpm are a requirement.

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On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 08:09 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> Sure, yum + rpm are a requirement.

And now you're dragging in python, plus the rest of yum's deps, which
I've already been told by many other people (at FUDCons, IRC, mail,
etc..) is not a "minimal" install. Congratulations you've just walked
into a decade + argument.

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On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 16:55 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 08:09 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > Sure, yum + rpm are a requirement.
>
> And now you're dragging in python, plus the rest of yum's deps, which
> I've already been told by many other people (at FUDCons, IRC, mail,
> etc..) is not a "minimal" install.
You are nit-picking at words.

Though a Fedora installation with yum + rpm isn't "truely minimal", it's
the minimal install to keep an installation usable/maintainable.

And yes, the fact yum pulls in python is a real problem on small
systems. Even worse are the system-config-* tools, most of which pull in
many more packages and don't even work without X.

> Congratulations you've just walked
> into a decade + argument.
I don't see this.

Ralf



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