R: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community

Wow!

I can't believe it!

The result is so impressive... I really can't immagine that.
Sorry, but what about the official vote?

Samuele

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A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." <fedora-art-list@redhat.com>
Inviato: Lunedì, 22 settembre 2008 9:26:16 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna
Oggetto: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community

You beat me on that one. =)

Luya

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Hi,

I read all comment on French Forum...

Just a point... I noticed that there are some "problems" to have a
Katana on a desktop and there were a propose to change with something
like bamboo... I think that a substitution of katana with something
different (different than an arms) change also the meaning of the
"invinxible theme"...

I'm also in agreement with vote with solar and invinxible in the first
two positions!

Waiting for the final decision.

Bye
Marco

On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 09:49 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote:
> Wow!
>
> I can't believe it!
>
> The result is so impressive... I really can't immagine that.
> Sorry, but what about the official vote?
>
> Samuele
>
> ----- Messaggio originale -----
> Da: "Luya Tshimbalanga" <luya@fedoraproject.org>
> A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." <fedora-art-list@redhat.com>
> Inviato: Lunedì, 22 settembre 2008 9:26:16 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna
> Oggetto: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
>
> You beat me on that one. =)
>
> Luya
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Den 22. sep. 2008 10.07 skrev Marco Mornati <mmornati@byte-code.com>:

Hi,



I read all comment on French Forum...



Just a point... I noticed that there are some "problems" to have a

Katana on a desktop and there were a propose to change with something

like bamboo... I think that a substitution of katana with something

different (different than an arms) change also the meaning of the

"invinxible theme"...



I'm also in agreement with vote with solar and invinxible in the first

two positions!
Invinxible is by far the nicest theme in my opinion. I don't really see a problem with having a nice katana on the desktop, the katana when invented was a marvel of technology, like Fedora is today.


I have showed the invinxible theme to many people and not one has replied negatively in any way, artistically or as a result of offence over the motive.

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Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES
But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it.

The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana.

Katana is for most similar:

I link for u some photo so u can see what I mean:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scumfrog/222867694/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scumfrog/134196791/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/

Take a look to the Hilt of every singol katana, it looks like the same cos it's basically the same for the most katanas u see.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2851011556/in/set-72157607053787890/

the Blade wasn't the same cos the blade was totally recreated.
Take a look to the source file and please post something similar.

Taking about particulars: the grain under the ribbon on the grip is similar for all katana in the world and not a trademark.

The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt.

Ok, if u don't wont to use InvinXble don't use it, but don't try to find some excuses to do it. Just do it and stop.

Samuele

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A: "Discussions about the artwork "included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers."" <fedora-art-list@redhat.com>
Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 13:57:04 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna
Oggetto: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community

On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:50 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote:
> sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo.
> If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0.
> I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created.
> Just take a look to the level "Blade_White Copy" as u can see this piece was totally fake.
> Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part.
> It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted.
> As for other parts.
> The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other "effect" of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer.
>
> So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done?
> Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a "new" question?

Samuele, I'm a big fan of Quentin Tarantino, and collected some desktop
backgrounds when Kill Bill Vol. 1 was going to be released. *One of the
backgrounds features a katana sword which looks to me to be identical to
the one in your source .XCF file:

http://img1.jurko.net/wall/paper/hattorihanzo_1280.jpg

When we talk about having an entirely free desktop theme, it means that
*all* the elements must be created from free sources. *Is this sword
graphic -- the one used in the Kill Bill poster and apparently your
source -- available for free use, modification, and distribution? *If it
is, there's absolutely no problem with the InvinXble theme. *If it's not
then we can't use this theme for Fedora 10.

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Samuele Storari wrote:

Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES
But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it.

The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana.

Katana is for most similar:


Trying to hod myself from exclaiming "no shit?"


The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt.


What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is,
uh..., uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv


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2008/9/23 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro>

Samuele Storari wrote:


Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES

But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it.



The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana.



Katana is for most similar:




Trying to hod myself from exclaiming "no shit?"

And yet..
*



The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt.




What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv

...it surprises you that an iconic image of a katana which he already admitted to using as inspiration contains a katana of a similar design.. when katanas are pretty much the same, I mean it looks exactly like the replica my friend has hanging on his wall as well, will you accuse him of stealing that as well?



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David Nielsen wrote:
...it surprises you that an iconic image of a katana which he already
admitted to using as inspiration contains a katana of a similar design..
when katanas are pretty much the same, I mean it looks exactly like the
replica my friend has hanging on his wall as well, will you accuse him
of stealing that as well?


Um, did you watch the ogv Nicu posted?

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I'm little sad about our discussion.
I think everyone loud his voice more than necessary, the only problem with my image is the hilt?
Ok, but why waitin the last day to say it?
I understand your position, and believe me I've got nothing with u don't take me bad.
I worked a lot for adv agency and I know the prob with copyR, I really do my best to create something usable and free, I'm new to the concept of FREE in the open source and I think (maybe wrong) that my work will work right (sorry for bad grammar).
Sorry if I same like vinegar today but i fell under attack and i try to defend my self.
I'm glad u like Solar.
I think we (all) have to take this discussion as a new start.
Maybe I wrong, maybe U (not U u...) are wrong, I work alone and maybe I do some error. Next time I will be glad if someone help me.

Cheers and sorry
Samuele

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Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 15:26:49 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna
Oggetto: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community

Luca Foppiano wrote:
> I completely agree! Sometime I don't understand which is the real goal:
> find *the best* fedora theme or do whatever to try to denigrate the
> others?

We have had egregious violations of copyright and image licensing in the
past, due to a misunderstanding of licensing and copyright law.

A big reason for the Fedora art team producing its own work is that we
can be confident that the artwork in Fedora is openly licensed and
freely distributable. When artwork that is not properly licensed is
thrown into Fedora, it not only goes against the guidelines of Fedora
but it entirely defeats the purpose of us creating our own artwork. Part
of the stated purpose of the art team is to create artwork that can be
freely re-usable. Artwork that incorporates other works that have a
restrictive license cannot meet this goal.

We are as strict on this license policy as any other team is strict on
code licensing. There is no special treatment here.

I certainly hope a theme with questionably-licensed imagery does not win
the vote. If it does, I will be up all night every night this week
re-making the artwork to make sure our artwork can be Free. I am sick
this week so a series of late nights will not be good for my health.

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Hi Samuele,

Samuele Storari wrote:

I'm little sad about our discussion.
I think everyone loud his voice more than necessary, the only problem with my image is the hilt?
Ok, but why waitin the last day to say it?


Nicu and I brought up our concerns with the licensing of this imagery
weeks ago, so please do not pose this as your artwork being questioned
at the last minute. This is clearly evidenced in the mailing list archives.


I *TRUSTED* you when you assured me weeks ago that you had changed the
photos to a properly-licensed photo. It appears that you did not. I am
very disappointed and angry right now.



I worked a lot for adv agency and I know the prob with copyR, I really do my best to create something usable and free, I'm new to the concept of FREE in the open source and I think (maybe wrong) that my work will work right (sorry for bad grammar).


This is irresponsible and unacceptable in any venue, not just one where
Free artwork is to be produced. This is no more acceptable when creating
closed-license artwork. While I have never worked for a professional
design agency, as a former teaching assistant I know that students in
design programs who violate licensing like this can be giving a failing
grade for their class, if not expelled from school entirely.



Sorry if I same like vinegar today but i fell under attack and i try to defend my self.


We are not attacking you personally. You are attacking us personally.


I'm glad u like Solar.
I think we (all) have to take this discussion as a new start.
Maybe I wrong, maybe U (not U u...) are wrong, I work alone and maybe I do some error. Next time I will be glad if someone help me.


I would find it a lot easier to work with you if you didn't get offended
when I asked how you did something so I can work on your artwork. I
would also find it a lot easier to work with you if you didn't make all
of the offensive statements you've made here and if you had not
completely violated my trust.


It will definitely take quite some time for me to feel less hurt over this.

~m

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