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Old 07-07-2008, 10:32 PM
Richard Hughes
 
Default New PackageKit and gnome-packagekit in F9 soon

On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 19:18 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Richard Hughes <hughsient@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've built new builds of PackageKit and gnome-packagekit and moved
> > them into updates-testing. The new major version is hopefully much
> > better from a UI perspective and hopefully much more stable but is an
> > API break from 0.1.x.
> >
> > The builds for F9 are here:
> >
> > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=54830
> > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=54886
>
> I have been testing them since I saw them in koji.
> 1) Seems to be better than 0.1.x branch UI wise
>
> Some things that needs to be improved:
> 1) The "getting information" applet shouldn't show up unless there are
> updates or work being done, but the "getting information" after login
> / connecting to a network is pointless.

Sometimes it takes a while to get the update list if we have to download
new files - do you get the applet icon otherwise?

> 2) I tryed to delete multple package at once but after pressing the
> apply button it started to resolve deps in the background without
> showing any feedback to the user for ~30 sec
> (the user might think it did nothing and keep clicking on the apply button),

Valid. Could you file a bug in RH bugzilla please (so I remember), and
I'll sort it in 0.2.4 after I get back from GUADEC.

> 3) The rpm post script is noisy (some media stuff can't remember)

Right, I'll take a look at that too.

Thanks for the help,

Richard.


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Old 07-07-2008, 10:51 PM
Martin Sourada
 
Default New PackageKit and gnome-packagekit in F9 soon

On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 23:29 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 19:52 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
> > * It always asks for authentication and there is no option to remember
> > the authentication when it discovers thath the package is not signed. Is
> > it intentional?
>
> Yup, there's a security hole (potentially) if we allow the auth to be
> retained for unsigned files.
>
Thanks for clarifying.

> > * The window with update progress closes itself after I give the needed
> > permissions to install and as a result I am not notified of the update
> > result. I can reopen the window via the notify icon though...
>
> How did you launch the update? Using the icon or using the Update
> software tool?
>
As I said, it's about local rpms, which means I launched it by
double-clicking on the rpm. Normal updates (launched either by the
Update software or from notify) does not suffer that issue. IIRC the
same happens for installing (i.e. when the some other version of the
package is not installed yet) local packages via the Package Installer
tool. The window closes right after the authenticating is done.

> Hmm. If you can reproduce, could you run "pkcon update" in the console
> please, and post the output.
>
That would probably require me to find the broken package (if it's still
in koji), downgrade to some previous version, disable the updates and
updates-testing repo, create local repo, enable it, put that package
into it and try the update. Hehe, a lot of work, I'll see what I can do
(tomorrow)

> Thanks,
>
> Richard.
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Old 07-07-2008, 10:57 PM
drago01
 
Default New PackageKit and gnome-packagekit in F9 soon

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Richard Hughes <hughsient@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 19:18 +0200, drago01 wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Richard Hughes <hughsient@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I've built new builds of PackageKit and gnome-packagekit and moved
>> > them into updates-testing. The new major version is hopefully much
>> > better from a UI perspective and hopefully much more stable but is an
>> > API break from 0.1.x.
>> >
>> > The builds for F9 are here:
>> >
>> > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=54830
>> > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=54886
>>
>> I have been testing them since I saw them in koji.
>> 1) Seems to be better than 0.1.x branch UI wise
>>
>> Some things that needs to be improved:
>> 1) The "getting information" applet shouldn't show up unless there are
>> updates or work being done, but the "getting information" after login
>> / connecting to a network is pointless.
>
> Sometimes it takes a while to get the update list if we have to download
> new files - do you get the applet icon otherwise?

Yeah but for the periodic update check why should the user care?
pupplet wasn't displaying the I am "doing something" notification but
only "there are updates".
So I suggest only showing it when the user manually request for it to
check for updates but not after login / connection to the network
while performing the automatic check.

>> 2) I tryed to delete multple package at once but after pressing the
>> apply button it started to resolve deps in the background without
>> showing any feedback to the user for ~30 sec
>> (the user might think it did nothing and keep clicking on the apply button),
>
> Valid. Could you file a bug in RH bugzilla please (so I remember), and
> I'll sort it in 0.2.4 after I get back from GUADEC.

Sure, will do later today (its 0:56 am now )

>> 3) The rpm post script is noisy (some media stuff can't remember)
>
> Right, I'll take a look at that too.

OK, thanks.

> Thanks for the help,

np.

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Old 07-07-2008, 11:26 PM
Richard Hughes
 
Default New PackageKit and gnome-packagekit in F9 soon

On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 00:57 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> Yeah but for the periodic update check why should the user care?
> pupplet wasn't displaying the I am "doing something" notification but
> only "there are updates".
> So I suggest only showing it when the user manually request for it to
> check for updates but not after login / connection to the network
> while performing the automatic check.

Sure, it appears so you know it's doing something... for me the hard
drive light goes on and the CPU goes up to 100% for a few seconds, and
it's nice to know what's going on. Maybe this is insane. Comments
welcome.

> >> 2) I tryed to delete multple package at once but after pressing the
> >> apply button it started to resolve deps in the background without
> >> showing any feedback to the user for ~30 sec
> >> (the user might think it did nothing and keep clicking on the apply button),
> >
> > Valid. Could you file a bug in RH bugzilla please (so I remember), and
> > I'll sort it in 0.2.4 after I get back from GUADEC.
>
> Sure, will do later today (its 0:56 am now )

2:28am -- I win! :-)

Richard


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Old 07-07-2008, 11:28 PM
Richard Hughes
 
Default New PackageKit and gnome-packagekit in F9 soon

On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 00:51 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
> As I said, it's about local rpms, which means I launched it by
> double-clicking on the rpm. Normal updates (launched either by the
> Update software or from notify) does not suffer that issue. IIRC the
> same happens for installing (i.e. when the some other version of the
> package is not installed yet) local packages via the Package Installer
> tool. The window closes right after the authenticating is done.

I've not tested that -- could you open a bug in RH bugzilla please, and
I'll check it out tomorrow. I think we're just setting the wrong
interactivity flags on these helper tools.

Richard.


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Old 07-07-2008, 11:41 PM
Richard Hughes
 
Default New PackageKit and gnome-packagekit in F9 soon

On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 00:51 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
> The window closes right after the authenticating is done.

Yup, I've found the problem. The default interaction mode of a GpkClient
is GPK_CLIENT_INTERACT_NEVER, and we don't change this on the
gpk-install-foo helpers. I've added a call of:

gpk_client_set_interaction (gclient, GPK_CLIENT_INTERACT_ALWAYS);

to the gpk-install-foo.c files and now it seems to do the right thing
for me.

I've committed to master, and will pull into the 0.2.x branch. Thanks
for catching this one.

Richard.


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Old 07-08-2008, 09:11 AM
drago01
 
Default New PackageKit and gnome-packagekit in F9 soon

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Richard Hughes <hughsient@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 00:57 +0200, drago01 wrote:
>> Yeah but for the periodic update check why should the user care?
>> pupplet wasn't displaying the I am "doing something" notification but
>> only "there are updates".
>> So I suggest only showing it when the user manually request for it to
>> check for updates but not after login / connection to the network
>> while performing the automatic check.
>
> Sure, it appears so you know it's doing something... for me the hard
> drive light goes on and the CPU goes up to 100% for a few seconds, and
> it's nice to know what's going on. Maybe this is insane. Comments
> welcome.

Yeah but if every app that does something in the background adds
something to the panel that would be ...
I still suggest that it should only show up when it wants stuff from
the user or to inform the user that automatic update (not searching
for update but appling them) is happening.
Also it does not take that long to check for updates.

>> >> 2) I tryed to delete multple package at once but after pressing the
>> >> apply button it started to resolve deps in the background without
>> >> showing any feedback to the user for ~30 sec
>> >> (the user might think it did nothing and keep clicking on the apply button),
>> >
>> > Valid. Could you file a bug in RH bugzilla please (so I remember), and
>> > I'll sort it in 0.2.4 after I get back from GUADEC.
>>
>> Sure, will do later today (its 0:56 am now )
>
> 2:28am -- I win! :-)


Bug filled: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454399

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Old 07-08-2008, 09:22 AM
"David Nielsen"
 
Default New PackageKit and gnome-packagekit in F9 soon

2008/7/8 Richard Hughes <hughsient@gmail.com>:

On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 19:19 +0200, David Nielsen wrote:

> I've been running these for a while now and I see no stability or

> performance problems. So far they have survived installing/removing

> software and performing several system updates without issue.

> Excellent work



Thanks, cheers for the positive response.
One little UI problem I hit earlier, when installing a unsigned package such as from koji PackageKit throws up a dialog calling it an error, this should probably be a warning instead as it's non fatal to the requested operation.



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Old 07-08-2008, 02:20 PM
Richard Hughes
 
Default New PackageKit and gnome-packagekit in F9 soon

On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 11:22 +0200, David Nielsen wrote:
> One little UI problem I hit earlier, when installing a unsigned
> package such as from koji PackageKit throws up a dialog calling it an
> error, this should probably be a warning instead as it's non fatal to
> the requested operation.

Fixed, thanks.

Richard.


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