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Old 06-12-2008, 08:30 AM
"Valent Turkovic"
 
Default Features that would be great for Fedora 10

Here are just few features that I believe would be great for Fedora 10 to have:

1. RFE: Add desktop folder with examples of what "fedora thing" can do
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315171

Lisa gets Fedora 10 Live CD from her Joe (her geeky boyfriend) and
puts it in her laptop. After she gets presented with a different
looking desktop that
she is usually presented she doesn't know what this "fedora thing"
actually does and can do. Joe gives her a CD version of Ubuntu, after
loosing temper with trying to explain what fedora can actually do.
Lisa puts Ubuntu CD in and after few minutes she clicks through a few
examples on her new desktop and sees that this "Ubuntu thing" does
more that that "Fedora thing" like plays music & videos, shows nice
spreadsheets and other documents.

It would be great for Fedora to add directory on desktop with some
nice examples what Fedora and OSS can do. There are great videos on
redhat magazine page and I'm sure there are other great resources -
new users need to be exposed to them in this way. Also there is a
initiative for contriburots to make screencasts and this feature would
be a great match with it if they merged together.



2. RFE: Desktop shortcut for joining Fedora IRC (aka "Get Live Help"):
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430217 and
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=179703

Fedora is about freedom+communication, right? Why not make this
statement more that just a nice slogan. If you installed sabayon linux
you could experienced for yourself what this really means. I as a new
user to gentoo (sabayon is based on gentoo) was really blown away with
this feature. It is really, really simple to implement and gives a
real meaning to a communication friendly linux distro.
In sabayon link to their IRC chat has a simple name "Get Live Help"
and it work fabulous! I didn't have any Portage experience so I poped
in IRC chat room and was on my way after I got quick help. Whis kind
of help was precious to me and would love to see it in fedora as one
of it's main features and not just as a slogan.
screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=382063978&size=l



3. Add abillity to define ntfs mount points in anaconda
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430084

We can define ext3, reiserfs, xfs and vfat partition mount points in
anaconda during the install but just ntfs.


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Old 06-12-2008, 08:46 AM
"Yaakov Nemoy"
 
Default Features that would be great for Fedora 10

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Valent Turkovic
<valent.turkovic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here are just few features that I believe would be great for Fedora 10 to have:
>
> 1. RFE: Add desktop folder with examples of what "fedora thing" can do
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315171
>
> Lisa gets Fedora 10 Live CD from her Joe (her geeky boyfriend) and
> puts it in her laptop. After she gets presented with a different
> looking desktop that
> she is usually presented she doesn't know what this "fedora thing"
> actually does and can do. Joe gives her a CD version of Ubuntu, after
> loosing temper with trying to explain what fedora can actually do.
> Lisa puts Ubuntu CD in and after few minutes she clicks through a few
> examples on her new desktop and sees that this "Ubuntu thing" does
> more that that "Fedora thing" like plays music & videos, shows nice
> spreadsheets and other documents.
>
> It would be great for Fedora to add directory on desktop with some
> nice examples what Fedora and OSS can do. There are great videos on
> redhat magazine page and I'm sure there are other great resources -
> new users need to be exposed to them in this way. Also there is a
> initiative for contriburots to make screencasts and this feature would
> be a great match with it if they merged together.

How about a welcome screen that pops up everytime you boot up, with an
obnoxious shortcut to it in the top of our 'go' menu. No matter how
many times you 'disable this the next time it boots', it still nags
you to install aMSN.

</sarcasm>

I think a folder might not be the best interface, but even so, putting
in a default bookmarks like we do already is not really effective
either. Maybe this is something the myFedora guys might want to look
at at some point.

-Yaakov

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Old 06-13-2008, 07:26 PM
"Valent Turkovic"
 
Default Features that would be great for Fedora 10

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Yaakov Nemoy <loupgaroublond@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Valent Turkovic
> <valent.turkovic@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here are just few features that I believe would be great for Fedora 10 to have:
>>
>> 1. RFE: Add desktop folder with examples of what "fedora thing" can do
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315171
>>
>> Lisa gets Fedora 10 Live CD from her Joe (her geeky boyfriend) and
>> puts it in her laptop. After she gets presented with a different
>> looking desktop that
>> she is usually presented she doesn't know what this "fedora thing"
>> actually does and can do. Joe gives her a CD version of Ubuntu, after
>> loosing temper with trying to explain what fedora can actually do.
>> Lisa puts Ubuntu CD in and after few minutes she clicks through a few
>> examples on her new desktop and sees that this "Ubuntu thing" does
>> more that that "Fedora thing" like plays music & videos, shows nice
>> spreadsheets and other documents.
>>
>> It would be great for Fedora to add directory on desktop with some
>> nice examples what Fedora and OSS can do. There are great videos on
>> redhat magazine page and I'm sure there are other great resources -
>> new users need to be exposed to them in this way. Also there is a
>> initiative for contriburots to make screencasts and this feature would
>> be a great match with it if they merged together.
>
> How about a welcome screen that pops up everytime you boot up, with an
> obnoxious shortcut to it in the top of our 'go' menu. No matter how
> many times you 'disable this the next time it boots', it still nags
> you to install aMSN.
>
> </sarcasm>
>
> I think a folder might not be the best interface, but even so, putting
> in a default bookmarks like we do already is not really effective
> either. Maybe this is something the myFedora guys might want to look
> at at some point.
>
> -Yaakov

I understand your sarcasm and appreciate it, I know that dolder may
not be the best interface but that is just one idea. I must admit that
I found folder that Ubuntu had (not sure if it still has it because I
don't use it any more) with some OpenOffice calc and Writer example
files is great for demoing what can be done with FLOSS software and
all from a live CD.

So if you and others have other ideas jus keem them flowing...

ps. what do you think about other two points?

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Old 06-13-2008, 08:23 PM
"Jeff Spaleta"
 
Default Features that would be great for Fedora 10

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Valent Turkovic
<valent.turkovic@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2. RFE: Desktop shortcut for joining Fedora IRC (aka "Get Live Help"):
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430217 and
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=179703
>
> Fedora is about freedom+communication, right? Why not make this
> statement more that just a nice slogan. If you installed sabayon linux
> you could experienced for yourself what this really means. I as a new
> user to gentoo (sabayon is based on gentoo) was really blown away with
> this feature. It is really, really simple to implement and gives a
> real meaning to a communication friendly linux distro.

This isn't a particularly new idea.. in fact I was active in exactly
this sort of channel back when Ximian produced a gnome 2 desktop that
lived on top of rhl 7.x as an add-on. What I have to say next is
grounded on lessons learned from multiple years of personal experience
with helping in irc help channels.

I will support adding a live help button or equivalent if and only if
there is an effort to identify and organize expert 'helpers' who can
agree to a code of conduct and to lead by example in interactions with
new users and less experienced helpers. Additionally this group would
need to make an effort to organize how they will spread themselves out
to cover as much in-channel time as the group is able to cover.
Having all available expert helpers volunteer to be in channel from 4
to 6 pm EST, isn't going to create a pervasive culture of right
action.
If we are going to put the live help in users faces with the
expectation to use it, then I expect a group of people in our
contributor base to stand up and be accountable for how well such a
channel runs and to make sure users are getting the help they need.
This group would also need to make an effort to service not just the
main English channel but also other language specific channels as best
they are able. Greg's translator service idea could help with that.


-jef

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Old 06-13-2008, 10:34 PM
Matej Cepl
 
Default Features that would be great for Fedora 10

On 2008-06-13, 20:23 GMT, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> I will support adding a live help button or equivalent if and
> only if there is an effort to identify and organize expert
> 'helpers' who can agree to a code of conduct and to lead by
> example in interactions with new users and less experienced
> helpers.

What’s wrong with #fedora on Freenode?

Matěj

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Old 06-13-2008, 10:52 PM
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
 
Default Features that would be great for Fedora 10

On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 00:34 +0200, Matej Cepl wrote:
> On 2008-06-13, 20:23 GMT, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> > I will support adding a live help button or equivalent if and
> > only if there is an effort to identify and organize expert
> > 'helpers' who can agree to a code of conduct and to lead by
> > example in interactions with new users and less experienced
> > helpers.
>
> What’s wrong with #fedora on Freenode?

It's had free reign for too long. Getting everyone in there to adhere to
some sort of code of conduct is an upward battle at best.

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Old 06-13-2008, 11:00 PM
"Jeff Spaleta"
 
Default Features that would be great for Fedora 10

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Matej Cepl <mcepl@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 2008-06-13, 20:23 GMT, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>> I will support adding a live help button or equivalent if and
>> only if there is an effort to identify and organize expert
>> 'helpers' who can agree to a code of conduct and to lead by
>> example in interactions with new users and less experienced
>> helpers.
>
> What's wrong with #fedora on Freenode?

Did I say which channel to use? No. I said I want to see a group of
people stand up and be accountable and to adhere to a code of conduct.
If those people want to use #fedora...fine. If they want a fresh
start with a new channel.. fine. But regardless of what channel is
used, I want people to affirm a code of conduct and stand up to be
accountable as expert helpers and to organize what helping actually
mean so that over time we get better at it. And whatever plan that
group comes up with, is sure as hell better be something more
elaborate than a bot that says "RTFM" in response to every question.

-jef

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Old 06-16-2008, 12:48 AM
Christoph Wickert
 
Default Features that would be great for Fedora 10

Am Donnerstag, den 12.06.2008, 10:30 +0200 schrieb Valent Turkovic:
> Here are just few features that I believe would be great for Fedora 10 to have:
>
> 1. RFE: Add desktop folder with examples of what "fedora thing" can do
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315171

[...]

> 2. RFE: Desktop shortcut for joining Fedora IRC (aka "Get Live Help"):
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430217 and
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=179703

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you already suggested these two ideas like
a year ago, didn't you? And AFAIR the result of the discussion more or
less was "Do it, if you want to." Please present us some content for
the examples folder and tell us how the IRC link works. How do the
Sabayon guys handle different IRC clients for example? How to get a
registered nick? I think I already asked you this a year ago but I did
not get a reply.

> Fedora is about freedom+communication, right? [...]

Yes, but Fedora also is about participation and working together.
"Working together" still means WORKING in first place and not only
filing RFEs. So please go for it!

Kind Regards,
Christoph


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Old 08-08-2008, 09:24 PM
"Valent Turkovic"
 
Default Features that would be great for Fedora 10

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Christoph Wickert
<christoph.wickert@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 12.06.2008, 10:30 +0200 schrieb Valent Turkovic:
>> Here are just few features that I believe would be great for Fedora 10 to have:
>>
>> 1. RFE: Add desktop folder with examples of what "fedora thing" can do
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315171
>
> [...]
>
>> 2. RFE: Desktop shortcut for joining Fedora IRC (aka "Get Live Help"):
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430217 and
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=179703
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but you already suggested these two ideas like
> a year ago, didn't you?

Yes I did. First time was when I was too "green" to do anything and in
the last few months I have been doing a general renovation of my
apartment so I was totally off the Metaverse.

> And AFAIR the result of the discussion more or
> less was "Do it, if you want to."

Did you read the discussion? There much more issues because of space
on mediums and there were also other issues. You are grossly over
simplifying it.

> Please present us some content for

I have no content of my own but there a lots and lots of content that
I see from Red Hat Magazine:
http://www.redhatmagazine.com/category/multimedia/

And also I see no reason not to ask ArtWork team to choose or let
Fedora users vote for best works and so that they get included but not
as final artwork product only but also as native Gimp and Inkscape
files.

I can point you to Ubuntu OpenOffice files which give you a really
nice overview what you can do with OpenOffice, but we can ask Fedora
and OpenOffice users to provide some files that would be maybe even
better than ones I saw in Ubuntu.

> the examples folder and tell us how the IRC link works. How do the
> Sabayon guys handle different IRC clients for example? How to get a

I can provide you and others Sabayon script.

> registered nick? I think I already asked you this a year ago but I did
> not get a reply.
>
>> Fedora is about freedom+communication, right? [...]
>
> Yes, but Fedora also is about participation and working together.
> "Working together" still means WORKING in first place and not only
> filing RFEs. So please go for it!
>
> Kind Regards,
> Christoph

I haven't filing RFEs, I was totally of the grid for the past few
months. Now that I have moved into new apartment I have time to
respond to your request and to continue with other projects I have
paused.

Cheers,
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