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Old 09-27-2012, 08:19 AM
Akira TAGOH
 
Default upgrading issue to f18

Hi,

I have a problem on upgrading to f18 for the input method
because of the new feature, the input source on GNOME
3.6. IBus is now managed under GNOME by that feature but
there are no compatibilities between older IBus
configuration and GNOME's. in addition to it, there are no
IME nor the shortcut key by default for certain
languages. also heard that we won't ship gnome-initial-setup
in f18 (assuming that it's responsible to setup for them
too). thus, those matters introduces IBus won't work until
one set up on gnome-control-center, which is obviously an
regression.


One positive idea to migrate the configuration is to use
gsettings command line tool for initial boot and my
questions is:

1) is there any possible issues if any script changes
something through gsettings?

2) if not, where would it be better to do? in
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d ? or via XDG autostart?

3) or is there any better idea to address this issue?


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Old 09-27-2012, 12:27 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default upgrading issue to f18

On Thu, 2012-09-27 at 17:19 +0900, Akira TAGOH wrote:

> I have a problem on upgrading to f18 for the input method
> because of the new feature, the input source on GNOME
> 3.6. IBus is now managed under GNOME by that feature but
> there are no compatibilities between older IBus
> configuration and GNOME's. in addition to it, there are no
> IME nor the shortcut key by default for certain
> languages. also heard that we won't ship gnome-initial-setup
> in f18 (assuming that it's responsible to setup for them
> too).

We've pushed the initial-setup integration until f19, yes. I want to
start looking into it soon in rawhide. But gnome-initial-setup doesn't
have input sources configuration currently, anyway. It is something we
need to add.

> thus, those matters introduces IBus won't work until
> one set up on gnome-control-center, which is obviously an
> regression.
>
> One positive idea to migrate the configuration is to use
> gsettings command line tool for initial boot and my
> questions is:
>
> 1) is there any possible issues if any script changes
> something through gsettings?
>
> 2) if not, where would it be better to do? in
> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d ? or via XDG autostart?
>
> 3) or is there any better idea to address this issue?

I would be hesitant to put too much of hack back in place, when the
initial-setup is almost there already. Scripts in /etc/X11/xinit are
basically outside the session, and not a good solution; you'll have to
struggle with not making them run in other desktops, etc etc. Any
solution that involves writing settings at login is going to increase
our already slow login time by forcing dconf to be launched.

If we absolutely need to have a solution that derives a default input
source from the display language (which you still have to set up
initially, anyway), I would suggest to do it inside the settings-daemon
plugin, and only if we detect a 'pristine' system, ie no input sources
configured at all.

Rui, Allan, what do you think ?


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Old 09-27-2012, 02:48 PM
Bastien Nocera
 
Default upgrading issue to f18

----- Original Message -----
> If we absolutely need to have a solution that derives a default input
> source from the display language (which you still have to set up
> initially, anyway), I would suggest to do it inside the
> settings-daemon
> plugin, and only if we detect a 'pristine' system, ie no input
> sources
> configured at all.

We already do that, kind of, as we use the XKB configuration from the X server to set the default input-sources.

I don't understand how this would have worked in the past. Would you have applied just the iBus configuration, just the XKB configuration, both? Where's the list of language to input sources matches?

Anaconda could also drop the default layouts in a GSettings overlay, and we wouldn't have to do anything special.
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Old 09-28-2012, 04:10 AM
Akira TAGOH
 
Default upgrading issue to f18

----- 元のメッセージ -----
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| > If we absolutely need to have a solution that derives a default
| > input
| > source from the display language (which you still have to set up
| > initially, anyway), I would suggest to do it inside the
| > settings-daemon
| > plugin, and only if we detect a 'pristine' system, ie no input
| > sources
| > configured at all.
|
| We already do that, kind of, as we use the XKB configuration from the
| X server to set the default input-sources.
|
| I don't understand how this would have worked in the past. Would you
| have applied just the iBus configuration, just the XKB
| configuration, both? Where's the list of language to input sources
| matches?

What I'm mainly concerned are ibus. if we can have additional input source for ibus for certain languages, that would be nice though. that said it's a little another story. even if we have the sort of the table of the input source for ibus corresponding to the language, it may still introduces a regression in some cases. all of the necessary information for migration is in the ibus's configuration and it may be not necessarily same to what we expect. I suppose it can be migrated by rule. but I wasn't sure where it should be done.

If Matthias's idea is the way to go, we could add another path for upgrading: if the ibus's configuration is available, use it otherwise pick up from the table according to the display language say.

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Old 10-04-2012, 02:33 AM
Rui Tiago Cao Matos
 
Default upgrading issue to f18

On 28 September 2012 06:10, Akira TAGOH <tagoh@redhat.com> wrote:
> If Matthias's idea is the way to go, we could add another path for upgrading: if the ibus's configuration is available, use it otherwise pick up from the table according to the display language say.

I agree that this is the way to go. See the following bugs:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685457
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685458

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Old 10-04-2012, 03:12 AM
Akira TAGOH
 
Default upgrading issue to f18

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| On 28 September 2012 06:10, Akira TAGOH <tagoh@redhat.com> wrote:
| > If Matthias's idea is the way to go, we could add another path for
| > upgrading: if the ibus's configuration is available, use it
| > otherwise pick up from the table according to the display language
| > say.
|
| I agree that this is the way to go. See the following bugs:
|
| https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685457
| https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685458

Great! thanks for the quick work.

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