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Old 08-17-2012, 07:18 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default Request for review: new desktop groups

As part of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups, I've
been working on redoing some of the groups that make up installation choices
in anaconda. The idea is to offer a simpler interface, where the user simply
selects which environment they want to run in, plus options for that
environment.

Based on what's in the kickstart file for the Desktop spin, here's what I
have for the Desktop:

GNOME contains:
desktop-backgrounds-basic
control-center
dconf
gnome-panel
gnome-session
gnome-shell
gnome-themes-standard
metacity
notification-daemon
abrt-desktop
aisleriot
at-spi2-atk
at-spi2-core
avahi
baobab
brasero-nautilus
caribou
cheese
deja-dup
eog
evince
evince-nautilus
file-roller
file-roller-nautilus
fprintd-pam
gcalctool
gdm
gedit
glib-networking
gnome-backgrounds
gnome-bluetooth
gnome-color-manager
gnome-contacts
gnome-dictionary
gnome-disk-utility
gnome-disk-utility-nautilus
gnome-documents
gnome-font-viewer
gnome-icon-theme
gnome-icon-theme-extras
gnome-icon-theme-symbolic
gnome-packagekit
gnome-screensaver
gnome-screenshot
gnome-system-log
gnome-system-monitor
gnome-terminal
gnome-user-docs
gucharmap
gvfs-fuse
gvfs-gphoto2
gvfs-smb
libcanberra-gtk2
libcanberra-gtk3
libproxy-mozjs
librsvg2
libsane-hpaio
mousetweaks
nautilus
nautilus-sendto
NetworkManager-gnome
NetworkManager-openconnect
NetworkManager-openvpn
NetworkManager-pptp
NetworkManager-vpnc
orca
PackageKit-command-not-found
PackageKit-gtk-module
PackageKit-gtk3-module
policycoreutils-restorecond
polkit-gnome
seahorse
sushi
xdg-user-dirs-gtk
yelp
firefox
icedtea-web

and has the following 'options' available:
gnome-apps:
empathy
evolution
evolution-help
evolution-NetworkManager
gnome-boxes
gnome-games
shotwell
simple-scan
sane-backends-drivers-scanners
vinagre
vino
gnome-media:
brasero
rhythmbox
sound-juicer
totem
totem-mozplugin
totem-nautilus
libreoffice:
libreoffice-calc
libreoffice-draw
libreoffice-graphicfilter
libreoffice-impress
libreoffice-math
libreoffice-writer
libreoffice-xsltfilter

I welcome any and all sanity-checking of this, and ideas for
additions/removals. You can open the current F18/F19 comps files and see the
data that makes this up - the 'gnome-desktop' environment defines what
groups go into GNOME, and which are shown as options, and the groups
referenced there define what packages make them up.

Thanks,
Bill
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Old 08-20-2012, 11:37 AM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default Request for review: new desktop groups

On Fri, 2012-08-17 at 15:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:

>
> I welcome any and all sanity-checking of this, and ideas for
> additions/removals. You can open the current F18/F19 comps files and see the
> data that makes this up - the 'gnome-desktop' environment defines what
> groups go into GNOME, and which are shown as options, and the groups
> referenced there define what packages make them up.

From a quick look, it seems that gnome-settings-daemon is missing
(although it will probably get pulled in by deps), and epiphany should
probably be listed under options.

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Old 08-20-2012, 02:34 PM
Colin Walters
 
Default Request for review: new desktop groups

On Fri, 2012-08-17 at 15:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> As part of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups, I've
> been working on redoing some of the groups that make up installation choices
> in anaconda. The idea is to offer a simpler interface, where the user simply
> selects which environment they want to run in, plus options for that
> environment.

From what I can see a lot of this is shuffling around where metadata
lives and how it's presented, which sounds fine, but is kind of
uninteresting.

However, the "yum is changed so that persistent groups are enabled by
default" seems to me to have more significant ramifications. Does it
mean that we no longer need to add artificial dependencies just to
ensure that new packages are pulled in on upgrades, for example?

Or do we still need to do that to handle the case where the user is
upgrading a pre-persistent-groups system?

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Old 08-20-2012, 07:08 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default Request for review: new desktop groups

Matthias Clasen (mclasen@redhat.com) said:
> > I welcome any and all sanity-checking of this, and ideas for
> > additions/removals. You can open the current F18/F19 comps files and see the
> > data that makes this up - the 'gnome-desktop' environment defines what
> > groups go into GNOME, and which are shown as options, and the groups
> > referenced there define what packages make them up.
>
> From a quick look, it seems that gnome-settings-daemon is missing
> (although it will probably get pulled in by deps), and epiphany should
> probably be listed under options.

OK, added. Thanks!

Bill
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:09 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default Request for review: new desktop groups

Colin Walters (walters@verbum.org) said:
> On Fri, 2012-08-17 at 15:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > As part of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups, I've
> > been working on redoing some of the groups that make up installation choices
> > in anaconda. The idea is to offer a simpler interface, where the user simply
> > selects which environment they want to run in, plus options for that
> > environment.
>
> From what I can see a lot of this is shuffling around where metadata
> lives and how it's presented, which sounds fine, but is kind of
> uninteresting.

Yeah, it's more interesting in what it allows us to use (have spins be
more consistent across install methods, and less tied to each other), than
it is directly for the user.

> However, the "yum is changed so that persistent groups are enabled by
> default" seems to me to have more significant ramifications. Does it
> mean that we no longer need to add artificial dependencies just to
> ensure that new packages are pulled in on upgrades, for example?

That's the idea, but...

> Or do we still need to do that to handle the case where the user is
> upgrading a pre-persistent-groups system?

... there's going to be a lot of these users.

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:03 PM
Dan Williams
 
Default Request for review: new desktop groups

On Fri, 2012-08-17 at 15:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> As part of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups, I've
> been working on redoing some of the groups that make up installation choices
> in anaconda. The idea is to offer a simpler interface, where the user simply
> selects which environment they want to run in, plus options for that
> environment.
>
> Based on what's in the kickstart file for the Desktop spin, here's what I
> have for the Desktop:

NetworkManager-gnome is dead, having been replaced by both
network-manager-applet and nm-connection-editor, among others. At this
point, the Shell is functional enough that we don't need
network-manager-applet anymore for GNOME desktops. But we still need
nm-connection-editor.

Dan

> GNOME contains:
> desktop-backgrounds-basic
> control-center
> dconf
> gnome-panel
> gnome-session
> gnome-shell
> gnome-themes-standard
> metacity
> notification-daemon
> abrt-desktop
> aisleriot
> at-spi2-atk
> at-spi2-core
> avahi
> baobab
> brasero-nautilus
> caribou
> cheese
> deja-dup
> eog
> evince
> evince-nautilus
> file-roller
> file-roller-nautilus
> fprintd-pam
> gcalctool
> gdm
> gedit
> glib-networking
> gnome-backgrounds
> gnome-bluetooth
> gnome-color-manager
> gnome-contacts
> gnome-dictionary
> gnome-disk-utility
> gnome-disk-utility-nautilus
> gnome-documents
> gnome-font-viewer
> gnome-icon-theme
> gnome-icon-theme-extras
> gnome-icon-theme-symbolic
> gnome-packagekit
> gnome-screensaver
> gnome-screenshot
> gnome-system-log
> gnome-system-monitor
> gnome-terminal
> gnome-user-docs
> gucharmap
> gvfs-fuse
> gvfs-gphoto2
> gvfs-smb
> libcanberra-gtk2
> libcanberra-gtk3
> libproxy-mozjs
> librsvg2
> libsane-hpaio
> mousetweaks
> nautilus
> nautilus-sendto
> NetworkManager-gnome
> NetworkManager-openconnect
> NetworkManager-openvpn
> NetworkManager-pptp
> NetworkManager-vpnc
> orca
> PackageKit-command-not-found
> PackageKit-gtk-module
> PackageKit-gtk3-module
> policycoreutils-restorecond
> polkit-gnome
> seahorse
> sushi
> xdg-user-dirs-gtk
> yelp
> firefox
> icedtea-web
>
> and has the following 'options' available:
> gnome-apps:
> empathy
> evolution
> evolution-help
> evolution-NetworkManager
> gnome-boxes
> gnome-games
> shotwell
> simple-scan
> sane-backends-drivers-scanners
> vinagre
> vino
> gnome-media:
> brasero
> rhythmbox
> sound-juicer
> totem
> totem-mozplugin
> totem-nautilus
> libreoffice:
> libreoffice-calc
> libreoffice-draw
> libreoffice-graphicfilter
> libreoffice-impress
> libreoffice-math
> libreoffice-writer
> libreoffice-xsltfilter
>
> I welcome any and all sanity-checking of this, and ideas for
> additions/removals. You can open the current F18/F19 comps files and see the
> data that makes this up - the 'gnome-desktop' environment defines what
> groups go into GNOME, and which are shown as options, and the groups
> referenced there define what packages make them up.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill


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Old 08-23-2012, 04:04 PM
Bastien Nocera
 
Default Request for review: new desktop groups

On Thu, 2012-08-23 at 11:03 -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-08-17 at 15:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > As part of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups, I've
> > been working on redoing some of the groups that make up installation choices
> > in anaconda. The idea is to offer a simpler interface, where the user simply
> > selects which environment they want to run in, plus options for that
> > environment.
> >
> > Based on what's in the kickstart file for the Desktop spin, here's what I
> > have for the Desktop:
>
> NetworkManager-gnome is dead, having been replaced by both
> network-manager-applet and nm-connection-editor, among others. At this
> point, the Shell is functional enough that we don't need
> network-manager-applet anymore for GNOME desktops. But we still need
> nm-connection-editor.

We'll need it until we can get rid of fallback

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:07 PM
Brendan Jones
 
Default Request for review: new desktop groups

On 08/23/2012 06:04 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:

On Thu, 2012-08-23 at 11:03 -0500, Dan Williams wrote:

On Fri, 2012-08-17 at 15:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:

As part of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups, I've
been working on redoing some of the groups that make up installation choices
in anaconda. The idea is to offer a simpler interface, where the user simply
selects which environment they want to run in, plus options for that
environment.

Based on what's in the kickstart file for the Desktop spin, here's what I
have for the Desktop:


NetworkManager-gnome is dead, having been replaced by both
network-manager-applet and nm-connection-editor, among others. At this
point, the Shell is functional enough that we don't need
network-manager-applet anymore for GNOME desktops. But we still need
nm-connection-editor.


We'll need it until we can get rid of fallback



Hey all,

we've just submitted the Fedora Audio spin for the first time. I'm
thinking that perhaps all of the packages should be present in the comps
file on install. What do you think?


bsjones
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:36 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default Request for review: new desktop groups

Bastien Nocera (bnocera@redhat.com) said:
> On Thu, 2012-08-23 at 11:03 -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
> > On Fri, 2012-08-17 at 15:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > > As part of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups, I've
> > > been working on redoing some of the groups that make up installation choices
> > > in anaconda. The idea is to offer a simpler interface, where the user simply
> > > selects which environment they want to run in, plus options for that
> > > environment.
> > >
> > > Based on what's in the kickstart file for the Desktop spin, here's what I
> > > have for the Desktop:
> >
> > NetworkManager-gnome is dead, having been replaced by both
> > network-manager-applet and nm-connection-editor, among others. At this
> > point, the Shell is functional enough that we don't need
> > network-manager-applet anymore for GNOME desktops. But we still need
> > nm-connection-editor.
>
> We'll need it until we can get rid of fallback

OK, I will make the appropriate substitutions. As an aside:

*NetworkManager*{-glib,-openvpn,-vpnc,etc.}
*network-manager*-applet
*nm*-connection-editor

Not saying we need 100% consistency, but a little might be nice.

Bill
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:15 PM
Dan Williams
 
Default Request for review: new desktop groups

On Thu, 2012-08-23 at 13:36 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Bastien Nocera (bnocera@redhat.com) said:
> > On Thu, 2012-08-23 at 11:03 -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2012-08-17 at 15:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > > > As part of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups, I've
> > > > been working on redoing some of the groups that make up installation choices
> > > > in anaconda. The idea is to offer a simpler interface, where the user simply
> > > > selects which environment they want to run in, plus options for that
> > > > environment.
> > > >
> > > > Based on what's in the kickstart file for the Desktop spin, here's what I
> > > > have for the Desktop:
> > >
> > > NetworkManager-gnome is dead, having been replaced by both
> > > network-manager-applet and nm-connection-editor, among others. At this
> > > point, the Shell is functional enough that we don't need
> > > network-manager-applet anymore for GNOME desktops. But we still need
> > > nm-connection-editor.
> >
> > We'll need it until we can get rid of fallback
>
> OK, I will make the appropriate substitutions. As an aside:
>
> *NetworkManager*{-glib,-openvpn,-vpnc,etc.}
> *network-manager*-applet
> *nm*-connection-editor
>
> Not saying we need 100% consistency, but a little might be nice.

Would be nice, and I tried to create "NetworkManager-applet" repos on
gnome.org when we moved the git repos there a few years ago, but for
whatever @%#%@# reason gnome.org has a policy of refusing StudlyCaps
repo names. So I had to name the repo network-manager-applet. And
since our package names follow our tarball names...

Dan

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