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Bill Nottingham 03-15-2012 04:51 PM

Two questions / bugs / issues with Fedora 17 Desktop, minor but kinda important for user experience
 
Elad Alfassa (elad@fedoraproject.org) said:
> 1) who decided that system-config-date is to be installed by default
> and given the confusing (for new users) system-config-date as a name
> in the menu?
> From IRC:
> <adamw> elad661: it's called 'system-config-date' because it was
> previously called Date and Time. see the problem with that?
> <elad661> yes, I do
> <elad661> but I think we could either remove it (since gnome's control
> panel provides the functionality) or find a better name.
> <elad661> we probably need it for firstboot, so removing the desktop
> file might be a good idea

It's required by both firstboot and anaconda so it gets pulled in.

> 2) why is "remote desktop viewer" installed by default? I thought
> gnome boxes provides this functionality now.

No one has done the update to comps to pull boxes in appropriately yet.

Bill
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Adam Williamson 03-15-2012 05:11 PM

Two questions / bugs / issues with Fedora 17 Desktop, minor but kinda important for user experience
 
On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 13:51 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Elad Alfassa (elad@fedoraproject.org) said:
> > 1) who decided that system-config-date is to be installed by default
> > and given the confusing (for new users) system-config-date as a name
> > in the menu?
> > From IRC:
> > <adamw> elad661: it's called 'system-config-date' because it was
> > previously called Date and Time. see the problem with that?
> > <elad661> yes, I do
> > <elad661> but I think we could either remove it (since gnome's control
> > panel provides the functionality) or find a better name.
> > <elad661> we probably need it for firstboot, so removing the desktop
> > file might be a good idea
>
> It's required by both firstboot and anaconda so it gets pulled in.

If desktop team considers the GNOME tool a complete replacement now (I
haven't checked if they're feature-equivalent), it could always have
NotShowIn=GNOME added to its .desktop file.

> > 2) why is "remote desktop viewer" installed by default? I thought
> > gnome boxes provides this functionality now.
>
> No one has done the update to comps to pull boxes in appropriately yet.
>
> Bill

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Matthias Clasen 03-15-2012 08:09 PM

Two questions / bugs / issues with Fedora 17 Desktop, minor but kinda important for user experience
 
On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 19:30 +0200, Elad Alfassa wrote:
> 1) who decided that system-config-date is to be installed by default
> and given the confusing (for new users) system-config-date as a name
> in the menu?
> From IRC:
> <adamw> elad661: it's called 'system-config-date' because it was
> previously called Date and Time. see the problem with that?
> <elad661> yes, I do
> <elad661> but I think we could either remove it (since gnome's control
> panel provides the functionality) or find a better name.
> <elad661> we probably need it for firstboot, so removing the desktop
> file might be a good idea

In my opinion, the search-based shell overview makes this kind of
redundancy less problematic than it was in a traditional menu system.
But yes, it is a bit of a wart that anaconda and its dependencies end up
on the installed system when installing from a live-cd.

> 2) why is "remote desktop viewer" installed by default? I thought
> gnome boxes provides this functionality now.

Does it actually provide this functionality now ? Have you tried ? I
know that the goal is to eventually support it, but I am not positive
that the feature will be in 3.4 / F17.


Matthias

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Florian Müllner 03-15-2012 08:52 PM

Two questions / bugs / issues with Fedora 17 Desktop, minor but kinda important for user experience
 
On jue, 2012-03-15 at 17:09 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 19:30 +0200, Elad Alfassa wrote:
> > 2) why is "remote desktop viewer" installed by default? I thought
> > gnome boxes provides this functionality now.
>
> Does it actually provide this functionality now ? Have you tried ?

It does indeed, I did a fun test with vnc://localhost a while ago ...


Florian

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Adam Williamson 03-16-2012 12:04 AM

Two questions / bugs / issues with Fedora 17 Desktop, minor but kinda important for user experience
 
On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 17:09 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 19:30 +0200, Elad Alfassa wrote:
> > 1) who decided that system-config-date is to be installed by default
> > and given the confusing (for new users) system-config-date as a name
> > in the menu?
> > From IRC:
> > <adamw> elad661: it's called 'system-config-date' because it was
> > previously called Date and Time. see the problem with that?
> > <elad661> yes, I do
> > <elad661> but I think we could either remove it (since gnome's control
> > panel provides the functionality) or find a better name.
> > <elad661> we probably need it for firstboot, so removing the desktop
> > file might be a good idea
>
> In my opinion, the search-based shell overview makes this kind of
> redundancy less problematic than it was in a traditional menu system.

well, when you search for 'date' or 'time' you get both options, and
there's really no indication which you should go for. In fact, most
people would probably pick s-c-d because it gets shown ahead of GNOME's
applet.
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