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03-27-2008, 04:44 PM
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few ideas how to make fedora better as a desktop
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 09:15 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 09:11 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
> > > I thought info was meant to obsolete man?
> >
> > I wouldn't hold my breath.
>
> Can I get an info viewer that's as simple to use as man? I always seem
> to get rather lost in info, and have to quit, start over just to get
> back to the freaking menu. Forgive me for not being an emacs user...
yelp supports man,info,and docbook.
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03-27-2008, 04:45 PM
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few ideas how to make fedora better as a desktop
2008/3/26 Jesse Keating <jkeating@redhat.com>:
"root" is a legacy concept. *Either the local user is also the admin, or
the admin is a site wide admin where local root accounts are just jokes
and instead things are done as sudo, or through config management
systems.
I'm still dropping to root on systems that I'm not sitting in front of when I need to troubleshoot hardware. We'd have to make sure that all the devices which get dynamically created get the correct permissions such that an admin group such as 'wheel' can make use of them by default.
-jef
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03-27-2008, 04:57 PM
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few ideas how to make fedora better as a desktop
On 27/03/2008, Shawn Starr <sstarr@platform.com> wrote:
> This is because /sbin was for 'static' binaries (static-bin). We needed this back when live CDs didn't exist, or if you somehow foobared your GNU libc you had /sbin/sln (static link) to fix a system, now a days you pop in a CD, chroot to the saddened Linux system and repair it easily. You used /sbin as your emergency kit and superuser tools.
Gee, thanks for the history lesson.
Of course, if you can find me an example of dynamic linking from the
time when "sbin" came into existence (other than on VMS) let me know
...
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03-27-2008, 05:01 PM
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few ideas how to make fedora better as a desktop
Well, you might know the history, but A lot of newcomers to Linux don't. It's nice and dandy to change things and I fully agree that we shouldn't be beholden to the FHS structure.
Shawn.
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> From: fedora-devel-list-bounces@redhat.com
> [mailto:fedora-devel-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of
> Bill Crawford
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:58 PM
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora
> Subject: Re: few ideas how to make fedora better as a desktop
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>
> On 27/03/2008, Shawn Starr <sstarr@platform.com> wrote:
>
> > This is because /sbin was for 'static' binaries
> (static-bin). We needed this back when live CDs didn't exist,
> or if you somehow foobared your GNU libc you had /sbin/sln
> (static link) to fix a system, now a days you pop in a CD,
> chroot to the saddened Linux system and repair it easily.
> You used /sbin as your emergency kit and superuser tools.
>
> Gee, thanks for the history lesson.
>
> Of course, if you can find me an example of dynamic linking from the
> time when "sbin" came into existence (other than on VMS) let me know
> ...
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03-27-2008, 05:02 PM
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On 27/03/2008, Bill Crawford <billcrawford1970@gmail.com> wrote:
> Of course, if you can find me an example of dynamic linking from the
> time when "sbin" came into existence (other than on VMS) let me know
Actually, scratch that, because I'm almost certainly wrong; the /sbin
name came later. It's nothing to do with "static" though.
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03-27-2008, 05:03 PM
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On 27/03/2008, Shawn Starr <sstarr@platform.com> wrote:
> Well, you might know the history, but A lot of newcomers to Linux don't. It's nice and dandy to change things and I fully agree that we shouldn't be beholden to the FHS structure.
You're welcome to change what you like. Just don't expect the rest of
us to jump when you say so. ;o)
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03-27-2008, 05:04 PM
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few ideas how to make fedora better as a desktop
Bill Crawford wrote:
On 27/03/2008, Shawn Starr <sstarr@platform.com> wrote:
This is because /sbin was for 'static' binaries (static-bin). We needed this back when live CDs didn't exist, or if you somehow foobared your GNU libc you had /sbin/sln (static link) to fix a system, now a days you pop in a CD, chroot to the saddened Linux system and repair it easily. You used /sbin as your emergency kit and superuser tools.
Gee, thanks for the history lesson.
Of course, if you can find me an example of dynamic linking from the
time when "sbin" came into existence (other than on VMS) let me know
...
The Xerox Data Systems (eariler SDS) running UTS had shared
libraries back in the late 60's :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Data_Systems
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03-27-2008, 05:05 PM
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Shawn Starr <sstarr@platform.com> wrote:
Well, you might know the history, but A lot of newcomers to Linux don't. It's nice and dandy to change things and I fully agree that we shouldn't be beholden to the FHS structure.
So in your estimation, LSB compliance isn't worth keeping?
-jef
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03-27-2008, 05:05 PM
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Well, one can do a gradual shift no? just like upstart is doing. Keeping compatibility is needed, and will be for a long time. Im not avocating a complete scrap :-)
Setting $PATH for all users to have /sbin and /usr/sbin is pretty safe to me
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> [mailto:fedora-devel-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of
> Bill Crawford
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:03 PM
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora
> Subject: Re: few ideas how to make fedora better as a desktop
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>
> On 27/03/2008, Shawn Starr <sstarr@platform.com> wrote:
> > Well, you might know the history, but A lot of newcomers to
> Linux don't. It's nice and dandy to change things and I fully
> agree that we shouldn't be beholden to the FHS structure.
>
> You're welcome to change what you like. Just don't expect the rest of
> us to jump when you say so. ;o)
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03-27-2008, 05:07 PM
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few ideas how to make fedora better as a desktop
Well, the LSB
should evolve the way Linux wants to evolve, gradually not the way UNIX has
always done it.
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To:
Development discussions related to Fedora
Subject: Re: few ideas how
to make fedora better as a desktop
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Shawn Starr <sstarr@platform.com> wrote:
Well,
you might know the history, but A lot of newcomers to Linux don't. It's nice
and dandy to change things and I fully agree that we shouldn't be beholden
to the FHS structure.
So in your estimation, LSB
compliance isn't worth keeping?
-jef
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