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Old 03-07-2011, 04:26 PM
Bastien Nocera
 
Default gdm changes and the live cd

On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 19:46 +0100, Julian Aloofi wrote:
> Am Samstag, den 05.03.2011, 10:29 +0200 schrieb Ville-Pekka Vainio:
> > pe, 2011-03-04 kello 18:25 -0500, Matthias Clasen kirjoitti:
> > > The session will start in English, and
> > > users who need a different language will have to select the language in
> > > System Settings > Region and re-login.
> >
> > This will make things very difficult for users who don't know English
> > well. With the previous version of GDM, we could at least explain the
> > language selection with one screenshot, because the login screen was so
> > simple.
> >
> > If GDM won't support language selection any more, then we should come up
> > with another simple way for choosing the language before login. Maybe in
> > the GRUB screen, like Ubuntu apparently does it?
> >
> > --
> > Ville-Pekka Vainio
> >
>
> The language selection in the ISOLINUX screen sounds like a good
> solution. It's what openSUSE and Ubuntu are doing as well and therefore
> shouldn't be too hard to implement.
> It would also have the huge advantage to solve this problem for the
> other desktops as well, who have not yet found a way of dealing with
> this it seems (KDE, XFCE and LXDE all autologin you to an english
> desktop).
>
> CCing the spins list as this might be an interesting thread for them.

Language selection before GDM is a good idea, but it should be done in
an X interface, so we can use translations, multiple windows, etc.
Rather than a straight list of languages written in a script that the
users might not know, with fonts that would leave to be desired.

To put it another way, it should be firstboot with only one question.

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Old 03-08-2011, 12:36 PM
James Laska
 
Default gdm changes and the live cd

On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 18:25 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> We no longer show icons on the desktop, so there is no immediately
> obvious place to show the 'install to hard disk' launcher. The
> alternatives are to make it a favourite in the shell overview, or to
> add
> it as a menuitem in the user menu. Both of these have some drawbacks
> (the favourite does not display any text,

I was wondering about this earlier ... I noticed there are no tooltips
for favorites or applications. This does make it difficult for
applications with long names, or uncertainty around what the application
does. Is this expected?

Thanks,
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Old 03-08-2011, 02:56 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default gdm changes and the live cd

James Laska (jlaska@redhat.com) said:
> > We no longer show icons on the desktop, so there is no immediately
> > obvious place to show the 'install to hard disk' launcher. The
> > alternatives are to make it a favourite in the shell overview, or to
> > add
> > it as a menuitem in the user menu. Both of these have some drawbacks
> > (the favourite does not display any text,
>
> I was wondering about this earlier ... I noticed there are no tooltips
> for favorites or applications. This does make it difficult for
> applications with long names, or uncertainty around what the application
> does. Is this expected?

No, it's an open bug.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=642871

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Old 03-16-2011, 03:02 AM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default gdm changes and the live cd

On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 18:25 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> There are some changes in GDM and GNOME3 that affect our live cd setup,
> and will require some changes:

This morning, Ray and I spent some time implementing some of the changes
and proposals in this thread:

- We are now doing autologin instead of timed login
- 'Install to harddisk' is shown in the dash, in the application
overview and in the user menu
- Various customizations (such as disabling screen locking) have been
revived by porting them from GConf to GSettings

Still to do:

- Implement a better way to select language


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Old 03-16-2011, 03:39 AM
"Jared K. Smith"
 
Default gdm changes and the live cd

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Matthias Clasen <mclasen@redhat.com> wrote:
> This morning, Ray and I spent some time implementing some of the changes
> and proposals in this thread:

Thanks Matthias! I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to
respond to some of the items addressed in this thread.

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Old 03-16-2011, 03:39 AM
"Jared K. Smith"
 
Default gdm changes and the live cd

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Matthias Clasen <mclasen@redhat.com> wrote:
> This morning, Ray and I spent some time implementing some of the changes
> and proposals in this thread:

Thanks Matthias! I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to
respond to some of the items addressed in this thread.

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