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Old 02-16-2011, 02:19 PM
Michael Cronenworth
 
Default RFE: Restart option inside Gnome Shell

Hello,

During the first week of February, I had downloaded a Fedora 15 nightly
Live CD ISO. After booting into the Live image from my USB stick and
testing some of the new Fedora 15 features, I desired to restart my
computer and return to my Fedora 14 installation on my SSD drives. Upon
searching throughout the Gnome Shell I found no option to restart. I did
not want to shut down my computer. I felt trapped in Gnome Shell.

I request a restart option in Gnome Shell. A restart option has been
necessary functionality for computers since before I was born.

If usage cases are necessary I will provide a few below:
-Reinitialize hardware that has frozen
Some USB devices or PCI-based devices lockup and require a restart to
reinitialize.
-Live CD images.
Users running Fedora temporarily do not need to shut down and power
off the hardware. A Restart is the only option necessary.
-Software updates
Kernel updates require a system reboot. I do not need to shut down
and power off my hardware to perform this.
-Customer support
When dealing with less-informed computer users, it is sometimes
necessary to walk them through a restart of the system. They do not need
to power off the hardware (and sometimes they do not know how to power
on their hardware).

Thanks,
Michael

P.S.
I realize there is the "reboot" shell command, or "shutdown -r" command,
however, this is a non-aesthetic solution.
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Old 02-16-2011, 02:38 PM
Bastien Nocera
 
Default RFE: Restart option inside Gnome Shell

On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:19 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Hello,
>
> During the first week of February, I had downloaded a Fedora 15 nightly
> Live CD ISO. After booting into the Live image from my USB stick and
> testing some of the new Fedora 15 features, I desired to restart my
> computer and return to my Fedora 14 installation on my SSD drives. Upon
> searching throughout the Gnome Shell I found no option to restart. I did
> not want to shut down my computer. I felt trapped in Gnome Shell.

Known bug:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641375

Cheers

PS: There's a little FAQ about some of the known design issues:
http://www.hadess.net/2011/02/gnome-3-test-day.html

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Old 02-16-2011, 02:42 PM
Michael Cronenworth
 
Default RFE: Restart option inside Gnome Shell

Bastien Nocera wrote:
> Known bug:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641375

Thank you for the link.

>
> Cheers
>
> PS: There's a little FAQ about some of the known design issues:
> http://www.hadess.net/2011/02/gnome-3-test-day.html

Thanks for this link, too. I don't know many "Gnome" sites and since
this is all brand new, bleeding-edge stuff, wikis and Google don't know
about them yet.
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:01 PM
Bastien Nocera
 
Default RFE: Restart option inside Gnome Shell

On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:42 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > Known bug:
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641375
>
> Thank you for the link.
>
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > PS: There's a little FAQ about some of the known design issues:
> > http://www.hadess.net/2011/02/gnome-3-test-day.html
>
> Thanks for this link, too. I don't know many "Gnome" sites and since
> this is all brand new, bleeding-edge stuff, wikis and Google don't know
> about them yet.

planet.gnome.org should have most of the interesting blogs syndicated,
if you're interested in following the upstream changes.

Cheers

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Old 02-16-2011, 03:27 PM
"Jˇhann B. Gu­mundsson"
 
Default RFE: Restart option inside Gnome Shell

On 02/16/2011 03:38 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:19 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> During the first week of February, I had downloaded a Fedora 15 nightly
>> Live CD ISO. After booting into the Live image from my USB stick and
>> testing some of the new Fedora 15 features, I desired to restart my
>> computer and return to my Fedora 14 installation on my SSD drives. Upon
>> searching throughout the Gnome Shell I found no option to restart. I did
>> not want to shut down my computer. I felt trapped in Gnome Shell.
> Known bug:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641375
>

It had spurred arousal on the test list since Adam mention that the
Desktop team had decide to remove the ability to reboot.
( and nobody from the desktop team well corrected him )

"It was discussed during the Test Day. I don't have a web reference for
this exact issue, but the position of the design team is that they think
the only common use case for rebooting is to boot into a different
operating system in a multi-boot configuration, and they want to handle
that as a special case somehow (a direct 'reboot to Windows' option has
been suggested). They don't believe there are any sufficiently common
use cases for rebooting other than that one to justify the added
complexity of providing it as an option. (Desktop team, please correct
me if I'm representing this wrong)."

Just so we are clear on the subject the Gnome UI designer are not going
to remove the ability to reboot from the desktop?
( Old mockups suggest that the ability to reboot will not be removed
[1][2] ).

1. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/UserMenu
2. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/SystemStopRestart

Cheers..

JBG
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:31 PM
Bastien Nocera
 
Default RFE: Restart option inside Gnome Shell

On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 16:27 +0000, "Jˇhann B. Gu­mundsson" wrote:
> On 02/16/2011 03:38 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:19 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> During the first week of February, I had downloaded a Fedora 15 nightly
> >> Live CD ISO. After booting into the Live image from my USB stick and
> >> testing some of the new Fedora 15 features, I desired to restart my
> >> computer and return to my Fedora 14 installation on my SSD drives. Upon
> >> searching throughout the Gnome Shell I found no option to restart. I did
> >> not want to shut down my computer. I felt trapped in Gnome Shell.
> > Known bug:
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641375
> >
>
> It had spurred arousal on the test list since Adam mention that the
> Desktop team had decide to remove the ability to reboot.
> ( and nobody from the desktop team well corrected him )

In my particular case, that's because I don't read test-list. I can't
help it if people hastily conclude things from comments left on
bugzillas.

Cheers

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