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Old 02-15-2011, 02:54 PM
"Jared K. Smith"
 
Default Font changes / Cantarell

I know that Gnome is using Cantarell as its default font, and it seems
that something has changed in Fedora to make Cantarell the default
font for all desktops. I heard from the KDE SIG this morning that
there is some confusion as to whether that was intended to be a global
change, or a change only for the Gnome desktop.

I don't pretend to have a clue when it comes to fonts or the
fontconfig stuff -- but I'd like to kick off this discussion so that
there is less confusion and that nobody tries to ascribe to malice
that which can be explained by miscommunication. Is there someone
that understands the change that can fill me in on the missing
details?
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Old 02-15-2011, 03:23 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default Font changes / Cantarell

Jared K. Smith (jsmith@fedoraproject.org) said:
> I know that Gnome is using Cantarell as its default font, and it seems
> that something has changed in Fedora to make Cantarell the default
> font for all desktops. I heard from the KDE SIG this morning that
> there is some confusion as to whether that was intended to be a global
> change, or a change only for the Gnome desktop.
>
> I don't pretend to have a clue when it comes to fonts or the
> fontconfig stuff -- but I'd like to kick off this discussion so that
> there is less confusion and that nobody tries to ascribe to malice
> that which can be explained by miscommunication. Is there someone
> that understands the change that can fill me in on the missing
> details?

If it has become the default font for all desktops, it's likely due
to it becoming the default mapping for Sans in fontconfig. (Whether that
was intentional, I don't know.)

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Old 02-15-2011, 06:34 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default Font changes / Cantarell

On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 11:23 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Jared K. Smith (jsmith@fedoraproject.org) said:
> > I know that Gnome is using Cantarell as its default font, and it seems
> > that something has changed in Fedora to make Cantarell the default
> > font for all desktops. I heard from the KDE SIG this morning that
> > there is some confusion as to whether that was intended to be a global
> > change, or a change only for the Gnome desktop.
> >
> > I don't pretend to have a clue when it comes to fonts or the
> > fontconfig stuff -- but I'd like to kick off this discussion so that
> > there is less confusion and that nobody tries to ascribe to malice
> > that which can be explained by miscommunication. Is there someone
> > that understands the change that can fill me in on the missing
> > details?
>
> If it has become the default font for all desktops, it's likely due
> to it becoming the default mapping for Sans in fontconfig. (Whether that
> was intentional, I don't know.)
>

Not intentional, afaik.
The plan is to set the dconf keys used by gnome for fonts to 'Cantarell'
explicitly, so we don't have to rely on the 'Sans' alias. For a while,
the Adwaita theme was hardcoding the font to Cantarell, too. But we've
since decided to use drop that and use the dconf key. The culprit might
be /etc/fonts/conf.d/57-cantarell.conf. Unfortunately, I don't know
enough about fontconfig syntax to figure that out on the spot...

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Old 02-15-2011, 07:08 PM
Kyle McMartin
 
Default Font changes / Cantarell

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 02:34:09PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> The plan is to set the dconf keys used by gnome for fonts to 'Cantarell'
> explicitly, so we don't have to rely on the 'Sans' alias. For a while,
> the Adwaita theme was hardcoding the font to Cantarell, too. But we've
> since decided to use drop that and use the dconf key. The culprit might
> be /etc/fonts/conf.d/57-cantarell.conf. Unfortunately, I don't know
> enough about fontconfig syntax to figure that out on the spot...
>

I assume it's because it sorts first (57-c before 57-d) and so is shoved
into the sans-serif list before DejaVu Sans gets sorted. Moving the file
to 58- should work around that if that's what is desired. A quick look
at the fontconfig source seems to confirm that.

It is a pretty nice font though once you get used to the (fairly)
jarring change from Deja Vu Sans. It would be nice if the password blank
out circles were bigger/more obvious, though, I think?

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Old 02-15-2011, 07:09 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default Font changes / Cantarell

On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 14:34 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 11:23 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > Jared K. Smith (jsmith@fedoraproject.org) said:
> > > I know that Gnome is using Cantarell as its default font, and it seems
> > > that something has changed in Fedora to make Cantarell the default
> > > font for all desktops. I heard from the KDE SIG this morning that
> > > there is some confusion as to whether that was intended to be a global
> > > change, or a change only for the Gnome desktop.
> > >
> > > I don't pretend to have a clue when it comes to fonts or the
> > > fontconfig stuff -- but I'd like to kick off this discussion so that
> > > there is less confusion and that nobody tries to ascribe to malice
> > > that which can be explained by miscommunication. Is there someone
> > > that understands the change that can fill me in on the missing
> > > details?
> >
> > If it has become the default font for all desktops, it's likely due
> > to it becoming the default mapping for Sans in fontconfig. (Whether that
> > was intentional, I don't know.)
> >
>
> Not intentional, afaik.
> The plan is to set the dconf keys used by gnome for fonts to 'Cantarell'
> explicitly, so we don't have to rely on the 'Sans' alias. For a while,
> the Adwaita theme was hardcoding the font to Cantarell, too. But we've
> since decided to use drop that and use the dconf key. The culprit might
> be /etc/fonts/conf.d/57-cantarell.conf. Unfortunately, I don't know
> enough about fontconfig syntax to figure that out on the spot...

It's numbered exactly the same as the dejavu-sans file, which doesn't
seem right; they should have ordering to prioritize whichever we prefer.
I don't know whether fontconfig prefers aliases earlier or later in the
list; I think it's earlier, so we'd want dejavu-sans' config file to be
numbered lower than cantarell's. I guess right now they go
alphabetically, so 57-cantarell gets read before 57-dejavu. Should be
pretty easy to test, anyway.
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Old 02-17-2011, 01:13 PM
"Jared K. Smith"
 
Default Font changes / Cantarell

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@redhat.com> wrote:
> It's numbered exactly the same as the dejavu-sans file, which doesn't
> seem right; they should have ordering to prioritize whichever we prefer.
> I don't know whether fontconfig prefers aliases earlier or later in the
> list; I think it's earlier, so we'd want dejavu-sans' config file to be
> numbered lower than cantarell's. I guess right now they go
> alphabetically, so 57-cantarell gets read before 57-dejavu. Should be
> pretty easy to test, anyway.

FWIW, it looks like this is being tracked in bug 676253.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=676253

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