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Old 12-01-2010, 07:08 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default GNOME 3 Test Days

Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
> it still has a lot of raw edges. GTK+3 apps, at present, seem to be very
> uglily (is that a word?) themed, for some reason - some all-grey theme
> that looks like it came from a 1996 Solaris machine or something - and
> there's lots of other sharp edges.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658605

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Old 12-01-2010, 07:09 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default GNOME 3 Test Days

Bill Nottingham (notting@redhat.com) said:
> Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
> > it still has a lot of raw edges. GTK+3 apps, at present, seem to be very
> > uglily (is that a word?) themed, for some reason - some all-grey theme
> > that looks like it came from a 1996 Solaris machine or something - and
> > there's lots of other sharp edges.
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658605

And running "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme 'Adwaita'"
should give you something better.

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Old 12-01-2010, 07:26 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default GNOME 3 Test Days

On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 15:09 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Bill Nottingham (notting@redhat.com) said:
> > Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
> > > it still has a lot of raw edges. GTK+3 apps, at present, seem to be very
> > > uglily (is that a word?) themed, for some reason - some all-grey theme
> > > that looks like it came from a 1996 Solaris machine or something - and
> > > there's lots of other sharp edges.
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658605
>
> And running "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme 'Adwaita'"
> should give you something better.

actually, it just made all my GTK+2 apps use the same ugly grey
theme. :P I think there's a problem with Adwaita in current Rawhide
(well, yesterday's rawhide, haven't yet updated to today's Rawhide
because of the X driver mess).
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:16 PM
Gerald Henriksen
 
Default GNOME 3 Test Days

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:49:46 -0800, you wrote:

>On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 09:47 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote:
>> Is Gnome 3 and the Shell both in rawhide currently and can be tested
>> already or is there more work to do before ready for evaluating (or at
>> least enough to not crash every 2 secs)?
>
>I know it's working usably for at least one person (hno on IRC) with an
>Intel card. For me, on an NVIDIA 9400 GT, it basically hangs when run
>(won't take any input once a window is drawn); Ben Skeggs has the same

I had a similar problem with an NVIDIA 8400GS that went away with the
current nouveau and mesa updates.

Currently Shell works fine and appears stable for the limited try I
gave it.

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Old 12-01-2010, 09:34 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default GNOME 3 Test Days

On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 17:16 -0500, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:49:46 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 09:47 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote:
> >> Is Gnome 3 and the Shell both in rawhide currently and can be tested
> >> already or is there more work to do before ready for evaluating (or at
> >> least enough to not crash every 2 secs)?
> >
> >I know it's working usably for at least one person (hno on IRC) with an
> >Intel card. For me, on an NVIDIA 9400 GT, it basically hangs when run
> >(won't take any input once a window is drawn); Ben Skeggs has the same
>
> I had a similar problem with an NVIDIA 8400GS that went away with the
> current nouveau and mesa updates.

by 'current', which version exactly?
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:57 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default GNOME 3 Test Days

On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 17:16 -0500, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:49:46 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 09:47 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote:
> >> Is Gnome 3 and the Shell both in rawhide currently and can be tested
> >> already or is there more work to do before ready for evaluating (or at
> >> least enough to not crash every 2 secs)?
> >
> >I know it's working usably for at least one person (hno on IRC) with an
> >Intel card. For me, on an NVIDIA 9400 GT, it basically hangs when run
> >(won't take any input once a window is drawn); Ben Skeggs has the same
>
> I had a similar problem with an NVIDIA 8400GS that went away with the
> current nouveau and mesa updates.
>
> Currently Shell works fine and appears stable for the limited try I
> gave it.

Hmm, it just started working for me too, with today's Rawhide updates,
fixing the GTK+ theme stuff, nouveau
xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-0.0.16-13.20101129gitf29afe6.fc15.x86_64 , and a
2.6.37 kernel I'm testing for kylem...now ben's trying to figure out
what fixed it
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Old 12-01-2010, 10:04 PM
Adam Williamson
 
Default GNOME 3 Test Days

On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 15:09 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Bill Nottingham (notting@redhat.com) said:
> > Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
> > > it still has a lot of raw edges. GTK+3 apps, at present, seem to be very
> > > uglily (is that a word?) themed, for some reason - some all-grey theme
> > > that looks like it came from a 1996 Solaris machine or something - and
> > > there's lots of other sharp edges.
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658605
>
> And running "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme 'Adwaita'"
> should give you something better.

okay, so now I got this to work, can I complain that adwaita is really
pretty ugly?

the dark grey gradient on toolbars really doesn't look nice, especially
with toolbar icons disabled. There seems to be rather too much padding
space on the edges of tabs and toolbars, it looks 'fat'. I can see the
idea behind having the default / selected-by-tab button in dialogs go
bright blue, it's more visible than a faint outline, but it looks really
pretty ugly to me. Greyed out text on toolbars is barely visible. I also
don't like the very subtle indication of which window is focused;
focused windows look like unfocused windows did in clearlooks, it's
pretty jarring. I guess you might get used to it after a while. I do
like the scrollbars, they're nice.

honestly it looks a hell of a lot worse than clearlooks, so far, to me.
Didn't clearlooks change from a really aggressive blue color for
selections and scrollbars to the much subtler blue it has now after
people complained? Why go back to a really aggressive blue for adwaita,
then?
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:03 PM
Bastien Nocera
 
Default GNOME 3 Test Days

On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 15:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 15:09 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > Bill Nottingham (notting@redhat.com) said:
> > > Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
> > > > it still has a lot of raw edges. GTK+3 apps, at present, seem to be very
> > > > uglily (is that a word?) themed, for some reason - some all-grey theme
> > > > that looks like it came from a 1996 Solaris machine or something - and
> > > > there's lots of other sharp edges.
> > >
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658605
> >
> > And running "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme 'Adwaita'"
> > should give you something better.
>
> okay, so now I got this to work, can I complain that adwaita is really
> pretty ugly?
>
> the dark grey gradient on toolbars really doesn't look nice, especially
> with toolbar icons disabled. There seems to be rather too much padding
> space on the edges of tabs and toolbars, it looks 'fat'. I can see the
> idea behind having the default / selected-by-tab button in dialogs go
> bright blue, it's more visible than a faint outline, but it looks really
> pretty ugly to me. Greyed out text on toolbars is barely visible. I also
> don't like the very subtle indication of which window is focused;
> focused windows look like unfocused windows did in clearlooks, it's
> pretty jarring. I guess you might get used to it after a while. I do
> like the scrollbars, they're nice.
>
> honestly it looks a hell of a lot worse than clearlooks, so far, to me.
> Didn't clearlooks change from a really aggressive blue color for
> selections and scrollbars to the much subtler blue it has now after
> people complained? Why go back to a really aggressive blue for adwaita,
> then?

I like it better than clearlooks myself.

In any case, file bugs upstream if you don't like it.

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Old 12-06-2010, 03:19 PM
Adam Williamson
 
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On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 13:03 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote:

> > honestly it looks a hell of a lot worse than clearlooks, so far, to me.
> > Didn't clearlooks change from a really aggressive blue color for
> > selections and scrollbars to the much subtler blue it has now after
> > people complained? Why go back to a really aggressive blue for adwaita,
> > then?
>
> I like it better than clearlooks myself.
>
> In any case, file bugs upstream if you don't like it.

overall it's kinda growing on me, but I think most of the individual
complaints I had are still kinda valid. okay, I'll go upstream with it.
maybe if I can come up with suggested changes rather than just 'this
sucks', though.
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