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Old 08-26-2010, 12:35 PM
Jonathan Nadeau
 
Default the orca screen reader in f14

Hello list,

I'm a blind Linux user and i'm not sure if this is the right list. I
was wondering if you could package speech-dispatcher with orca instead
of gnome-speech? The reason why I ask is because orca is working a lot
with speech-dispatcher for better performance and by using
speech-dispatcher orca works better with pulseaudio. Orca does not
work well with gnome-speech if pulseaudio is implamented into the os
it causes orca to be delayed with how fast it responds when keyboard
commands are given to read the screen or do other actions. In f13 I'm
running now but that is only because I had to tweek it to get better
performance. If this change was made to speech-dispatcher this would
give a better experience out of the box for new users or even blind
users who want to switch to Fedora or at least try it out. Thanks for
your time and help and all the hard work.
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Old 08-26-2010, 01:29 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default the orca screen reader in f14

On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:35 -0400, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> I'm a blind Linux user and i'm not sure if this is the right list. I
> was wondering if you could package speech-dispatcher with orca instead
> of gnome-speech? The reason why I ask is because orca is working a lot
> with speech-dispatcher for better performance and by using
> speech-dispatcher orca works better with pulseaudio. Orca does not
> work well with gnome-speech if pulseaudio is implamented into the os
> it causes orca to be delayed with how fast it responds when keyboard
> commands are given to read the screen or do other actions. In f13 I'm
> running now but that is only because I had to tweek it to get better
> performance. If this change was made to speech-dispatcher this would
> give a better experience out of the box for new users or even blind
> users who want to switch to Fedora or at least try it out. Thanks for
> your time and help and all the hard work.


Hey, thanks for pointing this out. Investigating this switch was
somewhere very deep on my todo list for a long time.

Have you done this switch on your system and can give me some hints as
to whats involved ? Is the speech-dispatcher package we have in F14 set
up to work out of the box ?


Matthias

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Old 08-26-2010, 01:33 PM
"pbrobinson@gmail.com"
 
Default the orca screen reader in f14

Hi Jonathon,

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Jonathan Nadeau <nadeau.jon@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> I'm a blind Linux user and i'm not sure if this is the right list. I
> was wondering if you could package speech-dispatcher with orca instead
> of gnome-speech? The reason why I ask is because orca is working a lot
> with speech-dispatcher for better performance and by using
> speech-dispatcher orca works better with pulseaudio. Orca does not
> work well with gnome-speech if pulseaudio is implamented into the os
> it causes orca to be delayed with how fast it responds when keyboard
> commands are given to read the screen or do other actions. In f13 I'm
> running now but that is only because I had to tweek it to get better
> performance. If this change was made to speech-dispatcher this would
> give a better experience out of the box for new users or even blind
> users who want to switch to Fedora or at least try it out. Thanks for
> your time and help and all the hard work.

I'm the maintainer of speed-dispatcher in fedora. I know it has a few
issues which I'm working to get fixed in Fedora 14 and then backported
to the other releases. I'm aware of one issue with KDE but I would
like know what changes you had to make to ensure speech-dispatcher
worked for you in gnome so that I can get the issues resolved.

Cheers,
Peter
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Old 08-26-2010, 02:42 PM
Jonathan Nadeau
 
Default the orca screen reader in f14

On 8/26/10, Matthias Clasen <mclasen@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:35 -0400, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I'm a blind Linux user and i'm not sure if this is the right list. I
>> was wondering if you could package speech-dispatcher with orca instead
>> of gnome-speech? The reason why I ask is because orca is working a lot
>> with speech-dispatcher for better performance and by using
>> speech-dispatcher orca works better with pulseaudio. Orca does not
>> work well with gnome-speech if pulseaudio is implamented into the os
>> it causes orca to be delayed with how fast it responds when keyboard
>> commands are given to read the screen or do other actions. In f13 I'm
>> running now but that is only because I had to tweek it to get better
>> performance. If this change was made to speech-dispatcher this would
>> give a better experience out of the box for new users or even blind
>> users who want to switch to Fedora or at least try it out. Thanks for
>> your time and help and all the hard work.
>
>
> Hey, thanks for pointing this out. Investigating this switch was
> somewhere very deep on my todo list for a long time.
>
> Have you done this switch on your system and can give me some hints as
> to whats involved ? Is the speech-dispatcher package we have in F14 set
> up to work out of the box ?
>
>
> Matthias
>
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No I'm not running speech-dispatcher right now. I just messed around
with f13 to get gnome-speech running well. I know for
speech-dispatcher to run you must install speech-dispatcher and I
don't remember the exact name of the other program but it is something
like speech-dispatcher-python or it is python-speech-dispatcher once
you have these two installed then you had to configure
speech-dispatcher for it to be the default. You would do this by going
into the terminal and typing spdconf this would start the configuring
of speech-dispatcher. This is where I had the problem I don't remember
the exact problem but since I could not finish this process I could
not change the orca settings to use speech-dispatcher in the orca
menu. If you didn't finish the set up speech-dispatcher doesn't show
up in the orca menu. hope this helps a little. I download f14 and will
install it over the weekend in a virtual machine and can let you know
what I can do. Thanks again for all the work.
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Old 08-26-2010, 06:09 PM
Rex Dieter
 
Default the orca screen reader in f14

Matthias Clasen wrote:

> Have you done this switch on your system and can give me some hints as
> to whats involved ? Is the speech-dispatcher package we have in F14 set
> up to work out of the box ?

Not yet (as far as I can tell), part of the saga is outlined in the
following bug,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569531

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